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Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world. There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during ou

by ssijak 6y ago

Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world. There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during our history when you eat unprocessed whole foods.

blaser-waffle 6y ago
We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything. I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.
- jacobkania 6y ago
  Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal. The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day. http://sugarstacks.com/ http://sugarstacks.com/
- ssijak 6y ago
  You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.
majkinetor 6y ago
You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved: - we eat simple carbs a lot now - we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content - we eat carbs constantly, year after year - we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.
- specialist 6y ago
  - we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
  - majkinetor 6y ago
    While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
    - specialist 6y ago
      I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned. FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet; less dairy and a lot more grains and beans. And Dr Lustig says fiber blocks metabolism of fructose.
      - majkinetor 6y ago
        > I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned. Wouldn't we all :) If I share what I learned, we will be here a very long time... > FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet Its entirely different context that has no relevance to the topic. Eating fiber anywayz is akin to eating fat AFAIK as colon bacteria digest it into short SFA.
- smileypete 6y ago
  Boiled skin-on potatoes are good; complex carbs, Vitamin C and B6, potassium, fibre, water, but maybe lacking in hipster value. Simple carbs are great for physical activity in proportionate amounts, but fairly terrible otherwise. When I had a heavy manual job I'd come home, have a cold beer then knock back a litre of orange juice, probably containing 100g/4oz of sugar. Seemed to go to muscle glycogen though occasionally I'd rush :-)
stevespang 6y ago
"hipster keto" - - exactly. I converted over to 30% monkfruit extract powder as a sweetener, no bitter aftertaste, the closest to sugar I have ever tasted, ~$210 a kg., stored in my freezer it will last me 5 years. It's like 200x sweeter than sugar and has almost zero calories and FDA approved. I can achieve up to a brix level 8 with monkfruit, so it will not sweeten very sour or bitter substances by itself. Some mix it with erythritol to get closer to sweetening bitter chocolate.

by ssijak 6y ago

blaser-waffle 6y ago

We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything. I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.

jacobkania 6y ago
Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal. The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day. http://sugarstacks.com/ http://sugarstacks.com/
ssijak 6y ago
You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.

majkinetor 6y ago

You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved: - we eat simple carbs a lot now - we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content - we eat carbs constantly, year after year - we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.

specialist 6y ago
- we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
- majkinetor 6y ago
  While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
  - specialist 6y ago
    I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned. FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet; less dairy and a lot more grains and beans. And Dr Lustig says fiber blocks metabolism of fructose.
    - majkinetor 6y ago
      > I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned. Wouldn't we all :) If I share what I learned, we will be here a very long time... > FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet Its entirely different context that has no relevance to the topic. Eating fiber anywayz is akin to eating fat AFAIK as colon bacteria digest it into short SFA.
smileypete 6y ago
Boiled skin-on potatoes are good; complex carbs, Vitamin C and B6, potassium, fibre, water, but maybe lacking in hipster value. Simple carbs are great for physical activity in proportionate amounts, but fairly terrible otherwise. When I had a heavy manual job I'd come home, have a cold beer then knock back a litre of orange juice, probably containing 100g/4oz of sugar. Seemed to go to muscle glycogen though occasionally I'd rush :-)

stevespang 6y ago

"hipster keto" - - exactly. I converted over to 30% monkfruit extract powder as a sweetener, no bitter aftertaste, the closest to sugar I have ever tasted, ~$210 a kg., stored in my freezer it will last me 5 years. It's like 200x sweeter than sugar and has almost zero calories and FDA approved. I can achieve up to a brix level 8 with monkfruit, so it will not sweeten very sour or bitter substances by itself. Some mix it with erythritol to get closer to sweetening bitter chocolate.