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Nice forward progress on the search for a preventative treatment. Also TIL bad gum health can lead to colon cancer. So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teet

Nice forward progress on the search for a preventative treatment. Also TIL bad gum health can lead to colon cancer. So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth

mgr86 6y ago
anecdotally one of the few things I remember about my maternal grandmother was that she implored us to take care of our teeth, and that she died of colon cancer :( Wonder if she was on to something?
- lazyjones 6y ago
  It's not far-fetched to say that if you have bad teeth, you will chew worse and your digestion might suffer as a consequence.
pstuart 6y ago
And floss too!
majkinetor 6y ago
Brushing and flossing does also damage your gums depending on the force and utility. Thats worst then doing nothing because now bacteria can enter your blood stream and hitch a ride to the other parts of the body. Much better option is to not eat carbs which universally damage teath.
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- ssijak 6y ago
  Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world. There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during our history when you eat unprocessed whole foods.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything. I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.
    - jacobkania 6y ago
      Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal. The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day. http://sugarstacks.com/ http://sugarstacks.com/
    - ssijak 6y ago
      You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.
  - majkinetor 6y ago
    You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved: - we eat simple carbs a lot now - we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content - we eat carbs constantly, year after year - we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.
    - specialist 6y ago
      - we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
      - majkinetor 6y ago
        While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
- leviathant 6y ago
  I think things are more complex than "brushing and flossing damages your gums depending on force and utility" because I've got wisdom teeth that I've been forcibly brushing for decades in the interest of making my gumline recede and it just. doesn't. work. I also eat carbs like they're going out of style. At least one serving every day, minimum. I've also had an insatiable sweet tooth for most of my life, although that tapered off into my mid-30s. I went fourteen years without seeing a dentist, and when I finally went in, aside from serious plaque buildup, my teeth and gums were in fantastic shape. It may have something to do with the fact that I drink skim milk like a toddler - about two gallons a week. I will say, one effect that dairy and carbs has on my oral hygiene is that they promote the formation of tonsililoths - but once I was turned on to using a tongue scraper, that problem disappeared completely. How did I go 14 years without a dentist and end up with great teeth anyway? Avoid sugary carbonated beverages, I floss with Plackers, I brush daily with an electric toothbrush and a baking soda/peroxide toothpaste, I use a tongue scraper, and I rinse with & gargle Listerene.
  - majkinetor 6y ago
    You are probably one of the rare protected people (my wife is one of them). Genetics may play a role (high number and/or diversity of certain salivary enzymes related to carb digestion) along with some life choices (such as excessive milk).
- ssully 6y ago
  Literally no dentist would agree with this.
layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
Can lead to or correlates?
- wyldfire 6y ago
  IIUC, the article claims 'leads to': > The belief, in both colon cancer and pregnancy complications, is that the bacterium migrates from the mouth into the bloodstream (bleeding gums) and from there into other organs.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    It does not claim such a thing. It's written "the belief...".
ekianjo 6y ago
> So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth Brushing teeth excessively can/will cause bleeding gums which is exactly what you should be trying to avoid.

Nice forward progress on the search for a preventative treatment. Also TIL bad gum health can lead to colon cancer. So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth

mgr86 6y ago

anecdotally one of the few things I remember about my maternal grandmother was that she implored us to take care of our teeth, and that she died of colon cancer :( Wonder if she was on to something?

lazyjones 6y ago
It's not far-fetched to say that if you have bad teeth, you will chew worse and your digestion might suffer as a consequence.

pstuart 6y ago

And floss too!

majkinetor 6y ago

Brushing and flossing does also damage your gums depending on the force and utility. Thats worst then doing nothing because now bacteria can enter your blood stream and hitch a ride to the other parts of the body. Much better option is to not eat carbs which universally damage teath.

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ssijak 6y ago
Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world. There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during our history when you eat unprocessed whole foods.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything. I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.
  - jacobkania 6y ago
    Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal. The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day. http://sugarstacks.com/ http://sugarstacks.com/
  - ssijak 6y ago
    You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.
- majkinetor 6y ago
  You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved: - we eat simple carbs a lot now - we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content - we eat carbs constantly, year after year - we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.
  - specialist 6y ago
    - we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
    - majkinetor 6y ago
      While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
leviathant 6y ago
I think things are more complex than "brushing and flossing damages your gums depending on force and utility" because I've got wisdom teeth that I've been forcibly brushing for decades in the interest of making my gumline recede and it just. doesn't. work. I also eat carbs like they're going out of style. At least one serving every day, minimum. I've also had an insatiable sweet tooth for most of my life, although that tapered off into my mid-30s. I went fourteen years without seeing a dentist, and when I finally went in, aside from serious plaque buildup, my teeth and gums were in fantastic shape. It may have something to do with the fact that I drink skim milk like a toddler - about two gallons a week. I will say, one effect that dairy and carbs has on my oral hygiene is that they promote the formation of tonsililoths - but once I was turned on to using a tongue scraper, that problem disappeared completely. How did I go 14 years without a dentist and end up with great teeth anyway? Avoid sugary carbonated beverages, I floss with Plackers, I brush daily with an electric toothbrush and a baking soda/peroxide toothpaste, I use a tongue scraper, and I rinse with & gargle Listerene.
- majkinetor 6y ago
  You are probably one of the rare protected people (my wife is one of them). Genetics may play a role (high number and/or diversity of certain salivary enzymes related to carb digestion) along with some life choices (such as excessive milk).
ssully 6y ago
Literally no dentist would agree with this.

layoutIfNeeded 6y ago

Can lead to or correlates?

wyldfire 6y ago
IIUC, the article claims 'leads to': > The belief, in both colon cancer and pregnancy complications, is that the bacterium migrates from the mouth into the bloodstream (bleeding gums) and from there into other organs.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  It does not claim such a thing. It's written "the belief...".

ekianjo 6y ago

> So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth Brushing teeth excessively can/will cause bleeding gums which is exactly what you should be trying to avoid.