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I just got a Lenovo V14 Ryzen 5 4500U laotop yesterday and this thing is amazing. It benchmarks almost as high as my Ryzen 5 1600 desktop PC, but it feels so mu

I just got a Lenovo V14 Ryzen 5 4500U laotop yesterday and this thing is amazing. It benchmarks almost as high as my Ryzen 5 1600 desktop PC, but it feels so much faster in actual everyday use. To those who scoff at repurposed laptop parts being used in desktop systems, I don't think that's going to be an issue here because these 4000 series APUs have outstanding performance. I'm not an Intel fan and have a tendency to root for the underdog so I may have an inherent bias here. The fact that Intel not only has competition, but has in alot of arenas been bested by AMD should only mean good things for the health of the overall market.

blackaspen 6y ago
I've got an X13 AMD with the 4750U and 32GB of RAM and it just dramatically outperforms anything else I've used. It's crazy. I bought it because I wanted a step-up from Intel CPUs that was worthwhile from a 7th gen i5, and this is over 5 times as fast and feels like it.
- nobleach 6y ago
  I tried to customize an X13 on their website and it wouldn't give me an option for 32GB. Did you have to do something else to get that configuration?
  - VibrantClarity 6y ago
    You have to choose the Ryzen 4750U first.
    - Dunedan 6y ago
      I wonder why they added this limitation. Does somebody know if there another explanation other than Lenovo trying to maximize profit by forcing every customer who wants to go for 32GB of memory to get the most expensive CPU as well?
      - nazgulsenpai 6y ago
        It appears that half of the memory is soldered to the board. That was also the case on my laptop mentioned above. It came with 4GB soldered, and 4GB in a slot. Why? I don't know. I was able to swap the 4GB with an 8GB and somehow it's still running in Dual Channel mode per CPU-Z so I guess it's no big deal, but I also find it odd.
        Dunedan 6y ago
        The Lenovo Thinkpad X13 Gen 1 (AMD) has all memory soldered and no SODIMM slots according to its specification: https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_1_AMD/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_1_AMD_Spec.PDF https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X...
      - derefr 6y ago
        Probably the model built around the lower-specced CPU has a "lesser" motherboard + power supply, that might draw less power on idle (so, better battery life) and be smaller/ligher, but would render the motherboard unable to output the spike currents required for the higher-specced CPU, nor the sustained current required for DRAM refresh of that much memory. The model with the better CPU necessarily has a more power-hungry motherboard feeding it, and so can also feed current to 32GB of DRAM; but this likely comes at the expense of on-idle battery life.
- 488643689 6y ago
  This causes me pain. I really, really want an AMD Thinkpad, but NONE of them has a 2k or 4k display. I tested the FHD ones and I just can't bare it/feel alright dropping 1.3k€ on FHD in 2020. No sure what to do now :(
  - feanaro 6y ago
    I too want an AMD ThinkPad but none of the ones with the new Ryzens are 15". It sucks that they've decided to cripple their AMD line for no reason.
  - blackaspen 6y ago
    If you really want you can get the T14s and swap the panel, but it's expensive and a pain, especially on a brand new machine.
    - 488643689 6y ago
      I keep an eye on that route. So far it hasn't been confirmed the AMD motherboards actually can connect to the high res displays. I would love the X13 yoga 4k(?) oled version with AMD. That be my perfect machine as it has pen input too.
  - CoolGuySteve 6y ago
    While I agree, one plus is that some of the FHD displays are now extremely low power, with about 1-2W lower idle power consumption. But I'm not sure why Lenovo doesn't make the low power display the baseline like HP did with their Spectre line.
    - blackaspen 6y ago
      On this note, I got the 500nit e-privacy display and it's "fine". I don't love it, it's not quite as good as it sounds, but it's "fine". Viewing angle with the "privacy" part off is still pretty terrible.
  - sbierwagen 6y ago
    A 15" 1080p panel has the same pixel density as a 32" 4K panel.
- localhost 6y ago
  Do you know what's expandable in this machine? Below I see that some RAM is soldered onto the motherboard, so is there 1 DIMM slot available? What about the PCIe SSD - is that replaceable too?
  - blackaspen 6y ago
    In the X13 only the SSD is replaceable. I _think_ it has a slot for cellular too, but I'm unclear if you can use it for anything. Lenovo says that if you want cellular you have to specify at build because of antennas in the display. The T14S has soldered memory and I think even the T14 does too now.
    - localhost 6y ago
      Thanks! I just looked up the T14 on the Crucial site [1] and it looks like there's a single DIMM on that machine as well as replaceable SSD. So nice to have options ... [1] https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkpad-t14-gen-1-(amd)# https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkp...
- saltcured 6y ago
  I remember having a similar impression with the introduction of past CPUs like Pentium-M and Core 2, and even recently with a Ryzen 7 Pro 3700U. A new laptop platform suddenly seems faster than a desktop of the prior generation (in practice, often 3+ years old at the point of comparison). This was true even compared to my Xeon workstations of those eras. I can remember saying to myself, why would I get another desktop when this little thing is so fast and low power? Eventually, I rediscover the ways in which the laptop is confining, and revert to the mindset that desktops have a place too. Whether it is upgrading storage, RAM, GPUs, or other accessories, there is a flexibility to the desktop chassis. Depending on whether it is an employer budget or my personal funds, I find utility in workstation-class or commodity uATX desktops. I can reliably find a sweet-spot configuration to get a fully new platform on an appropriate interval and then trickle in small upgrades as needed during its service lifetime, due to the ease of replacing parts piecemeal. I also tend to keep the same monitors for a long duration and just procure new, headless PCs for office upgrades. I only upgraded monitors for format changes like 1600x1200 CRT, 1600x1200 LCD, 1920x1200 LCD, and 4K LCD. I suppose you can do the same even with docked laptops, but I find you are paying quite a premium for the built-in display even if you only wanted to upgrade the CPU...
anon102010 6y ago
APU's are great for the mini pc market. I don't need a laptop (currently) but I love using a SFF machine without much fan noise. These parts tend to get packaged into these machine. Lenovo M75q Tiny etc. Based on these parts speed I may move to a laptop as my "main" machine in the future. Just dock it at home, office and use on road.
- nightowl_games 6y ago
  I've been waiting for this generation of Ryzen APUs to build a Small Form Factor PC for under my TV.
  - ink_13 6y ago
    Same. I have a 2015-era home NAS that could really use new guts, but I'm waiting for a 12W-or-lower Ryzen CPU and matching Mini ITX motherboard to become available first.
  - KozmoNau7 6y ago
    I recently built a Celeron J4105 (10W TDP) system, but I would have loved to use an AMD board with similar power consumption.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  They also work well as home servers and stuff!
lhl 6y ago
I too just got a Renoir laptop (the 8C16T Ryzen 7 4800H) and its performance is truly impressive. It scores SC:1254 and MC:8269 on Geekbench 5 [1], within spitting distance of my desktop Ryzen 7 3700X workstation performance of SC: 1319 and MC: 9296 [2]. [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3002232 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3002232 [2] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3007038 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3007038
AdrianB1 6y ago
These are not repurposed laptop parts being used in desktop systems; these are desktop parts because they fit in an AM4 socket, laptop parts don't. The CPU parts (CCX, IO) are the same, but that is the commonality with laptops, Threadrippers and Epic server parts too.
ilaksh 6y ago
I have a little 1.92 liter DeskMini A300W with a 2400 G APU and it works well as my desktop computer and also connects to my TV a few feet away. It actually sits on the little shelf under the desk. The only graphics game I have played recently is Rocket League and it handled that very well. Also was fine for GTA V. I have been thinking about upgrading to 4000 when it becomes available but right now I actually don't really need more power.

blackaspen 6y ago

I've got an X13 AMD with the 4750U and 32GB of RAM and it just dramatically outperforms anything else I've used. It's crazy. I bought it because I wanted a step-up from Intel CPUs that was worthwhile from a 7th gen i5, and this is over 5 times as fast and feels like it.

nobleach 6y ago
I tried to customize an X13 on their website and it wouldn't give me an option for 32GB. Did you have to do something else to get that configuration?
- VibrantClarity 6y ago
  You have to choose the Ryzen 4750U first.
  - Dunedan 6y ago
    I wonder why they added this limitation. Does somebody know if there another explanation other than Lenovo trying to maximize profit by forcing every customer who wants to go for 32GB of memory to get the most expensive CPU as well?
    - nazgulsenpai 6y ago
      It appears that half of the memory is soldered to the board. That was also the case on my laptop mentioned above. It came with 4GB soldered, and 4GB in a slot. Why? I don't know. I was able to swap the 4GB with an 8GB and somehow it's still running in Dual Channel mode per CPU-Z so I guess it's no big deal, but I also find it odd.
      - Dunedan 6y ago
        The Lenovo Thinkpad X13 Gen 1 (AMD) has all memory soldered and no SODIMM slots according to its specification: https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_1_AMD/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_1_AMD_Spec.PDF https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X...
    - derefr 6y ago
      Probably the model built around the lower-specced CPU has a "lesser" motherboard + power supply, that might draw less power on idle (so, better battery life) and be smaller/ligher, but would render the motherboard unable to output the spike currents required for the higher-specced CPU, nor the sustained current required for DRAM refresh of that much memory. The model with the better CPU necessarily has a more power-hungry motherboard feeding it, and so can also feed current to 32GB of DRAM; but this likely comes at the expense of on-idle battery life.
488643689 6y ago
This causes me pain. I really, really want an AMD Thinkpad, but NONE of them has a 2k or 4k display. I tested the FHD ones and I just can't bare it/feel alright dropping 1.3k€ on FHD in 2020. No sure what to do now :(
- feanaro 6y ago
  I too want an AMD ThinkPad but none of the ones with the new Ryzens are 15". It sucks that they've decided to cripple their AMD line for no reason.
- blackaspen 6y ago
  If you really want you can get the T14s and swap the panel, but it's expensive and a pain, especially on a brand new machine.
  - 488643689 6y ago
    I keep an eye on that route. So far it hasn't been confirmed the AMD motherboards actually can connect to the high res displays. I would love the X13 yoga 4k(?) oled version with AMD. That be my perfect machine as it has pen input too.
- CoolGuySteve 6y ago
  While I agree, one plus is that some of the FHD displays are now extremely low power, with about 1-2W lower idle power consumption. But I'm not sure why Lenovo doesn't make the low power display the baseline like HP did with their Spectre line.
  - blackaspen 6y ago
    On this note, I got the 500nit e-privacy display and it's "fine". I don't love it, it's not quite as good as it sounds, but it's "fine". Viewing angle with the "privacy" part off is still pretty terrible.
- sbierwagen 6y ago
  A 15" 1080p panel has the same pixel density as a 32" 4K panel.
localhost 6y ago
Do you know what's expandable in this machine? Below I see that some RAM is soldered onto the motherboard, so is there 1 DIMM slot available? What about the PCIe SSD - is that replaceable too?
- blackaspen 6y ago
  In the X13 only the SSD is replaceable. I _think_ it has a slot for cellular too, but I'm unclear if you can use it for anything. Lenovo says that if you want cellular you have to specify at build because of antennas in the display. The T14S has soldered memory and I think even the T14 does too now.
  - localhost 6y ago
    Thanks! I just looked up the T14 on the Crucial site [1] and it looks like there's a single DIMM on that machine as well as replaceable SSD. So nice to have options ... [1] https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkpad-t14-gen-1-(amd)# https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/lenovo/thinkp...
saltcured 6y ago
I remember having a similar impression with the introduction of past CPUs like Pentium-M and Core 2, and even recently with a Ryzen 7 Pro 3700U. A new laptop platform suddenly seems faster than a desktop of the prior generation (in practice, often 3+ years old at the point of comparison). This was true even compared to my Xeon workstations of those eras. I can remember saying to myself, why would I get another desktop when this little thing is so fast and low power? Eventually, I rediscover the ways in which the laptop is confining, and revert to the mindset that desktops have a place too. Whether it is upgrading storage, RAM, GPUs, or other accessories, there is a flexibility to the desktop chassis. Depending on whether it is an employer budget or my personal funds, I find utility in workstation-class or commodity uATX desktops. I can reliably find a sweet-spot configuration to get a fully new platform on an appropriate interval and then trickle in small upgrades as needed during its service lifetime, due to the ease of replacing parts piecemeal. I also tend to keep the same monitors for a long duration and just procure new, headless PCs for office upgrades. I only upgraded monitors for format changes like 1600x1200 CRT, 1600x1200 LCD, 1920x1200 LCD, and 4K LCD. I suppose you can do the same even with docked laptops, but I find you are paying quite a premium for the built-in display even if you only wanted to upgrade the CPU...

anon102010 6y ago

APU's are great for the mini pc market. I don't need a laptop (currently) but I love using a SFF machine without much fan noise. These parts tend to get packaged into these machine. Lenovo M75q Tiny etc. Based on these parts speed I may move to a laptop as my "main" machine in the future. Just dock it at home, office and use on road.

nightowl_games 6y ago
I've been waiting for this generation of Ryzen APUs to build a Small Form Factor PC for under my TV.
- ink_13 6y ago
  Same. I have a 2015-era home NAS that could really use new guts, but I'm waiting for a 12W-or-lower Ryzen CPU and matching Mini ITX motherboard to become available first.
- KozmoNau7 6y ago
  I recently built a Celeron J4105 (10W TDP) system, but I would have loved to use an AMD board with similar power consumption.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
They also work well as home servers and stuff!

lhl 6y ago

I too just got a Renoir laptop (the 8C16T Ryzen 7 4800H) and its performance is truly impressive. It scores SC:1254 and MC:8269 on Geekbench 5 [1], within spitting distance of my desktop Ryzen 7 3700X workstation performance of SC: 1319 and MC: 9296 [2]. [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3002232 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3002232 [2] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3007038 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3007038

AdrianB1 6y ago

These are not repurposed laptop parts being used in desktop systems; these are desktop parts because they fit in an AM4 socket, laptop parts don't. The CPU parts (CCX, IO) are the same, but that is the commonality with laptops, Threadrippers and Epic server parts too.

ilaksh 6y ago

I have a little 1.92 liter DeskMini A300W with a 2400 G APU and it works well as my desktop computer and also connects to my TV a few feet away. It actually sits on the little shelf under the desk. The only graphics game I have played recently is Rocket League and it handled that very well. Also was fine for GTA V. I have been thinking about upgrading to 4000 when it becomes available but right now I actually don't really need more power.