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The US doesn't have concentration camps with hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. At most there is Guantanamo and black sites abroad. And at least for

The US doesn't have concentration camps with hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. At most there is Guantanamo and black sites abroad. And at least for Guantanamo the prisoners have a modicum of rights (see Boumedine, though I concede that the current scotus majority is limiting it as much as possible.)

steffandroid 6y ago
The US has 2.2 million people in prison, more than any other country in the world.
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- SalmoShalazar 6y ago
  Not to mention the family separation/children in cages along the Southern border, but I guess everyone got distracted and forgot about this.
  - refurb 6y ago
    This includes migrants who claim to be children, but who are actually 18 or older, as well as adults who falsely claim to be parents of minors they're traveling with, according to Brian Hastings, chief of law enforcement operations for Customs and Border Protection. [1]https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/711850056/fake-documents-a-growing-problem-among-migrants-crossing-u-s-mexico-border https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/711850056/fake-documents-a-gr...
    - La1n 6y ago
      Yes? So? That doesn't mean it does not also includes actual children, and people who are actual parents of minors they're traveling with.
      - refurb 6y ago
        If CBP suspects they aren't really your kids you get separated. If they don't, you stay together. That's the point.
- adventured 6y ago
  Now demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt, with vast supporting evidence, that most of those people shouldn't have been in prison for the crimes in question. The NY Times and Washington Post routinely rail against our prison population and sentencing laws. Morally they're right, our sentences are too long. They never substantiate the premise that a large share of people in prison were wrongly convincted. In fact, to date, nobody has ever proven such an outlandish thing: because it's not true. The critics don't even attempt to prove that premise (at worst they'll point to a few select prominent cases). The problem with the US incarceration rate isn't that the US wrongly puts millions of people into prison, it's that the US puts people into prison with sentences that are too long.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    > demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt [...] those people shouldn't have been in prison for the crimes in question. That's basically the opposite of how it's meant to work.
  - kelnos 6y ago
    > Now demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt, with vast supporting evidence, that most of those people shouldn't have been in prison for the crimes in question. "Shouldn't have been" is a value judgment; by my values, anyone in prison for a non-violent drug "offense" should not be there. Just did a quick search, and for federal crimes, looks like the drug-related prison population is a whopping 46% of the total, at just under 70k inmates. Not sure what the violent vs. non-violent breakdown is, but even if the violent ones are 75% of those, 17k people () is still a lot. If we assume that the federal prison population is composed similarly to all the state prisons, that's 250k inmates for non-violent drug crimes. Yes, I know I made some guesses and assumptions around those numbers, and if anyone has some better figures, I'd be happy to correct myself, but there's 250k people should not be in prison in the US, based on my values.
thereare5lights 6y ago
> The US doesn't have concentration camps with hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. No, instead we have mass incarceration that is rife with corruption and mechanical to the point where prosecutors don't care if people are guilty, they just pile on whatever charges they can so they can pad their resume. We literally have the world's largest prison population, millions of people in prison. We have private prisons and literally have had judges SELL KIDS to them. At most? LMAO.
La1n 6y ago
>Guantanamo the prisoners have a modicum of rights There are prisoners there that have never been even charged. They are being tortured, tapes and records are being destroyed. These people have no rights.

steffandroid 6y ago

The US has 2.2 million people in prison, more than any other country in the world.

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SalmoShalazar 6y ago
Not to mention the family separation/children in cages along the Southern border, but I guess everyone got distracted and forgot about this.
- refurb 6y ago
  This includes migrants who claim to be children, but who are actually 18 or older, as well as adults who falsely claim to be parents of minors they're traveling with, according to Brian Hastings, chief of law enforcement operations for Customs and Border Protection. [1]https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/711850056/fake-documents-a-growing-problem-among-migrants-crossing-u-s-mexico-border https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/711850056/fake-documents-a-gr...
  - La1n 6y ago
    Yes? So? That doesn't mean it does not also includes actual children, and people who are actual parents of minors they're traveling with.
    - refurb 6y ago
      If CBP suspects they aren't really your kids you get separated. If they don't, you stay together. That's the point.
adventured 6y ago
Now demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt, with vast supporting evidence, that most of those people shouldn't have been in prison for the crimes in question. The NY Times and Washington Post routinely rail against our prison population and sentencing laws. Morally they're right, our sentences are too long. They never substantiate the premise that a large share of people in prison were wrongly convincted. In fact, to date, nobody has ever proven such an outlandish thing: because it's not true. The critics don't even attempt to prove that premise (at worst they'll point to a few select prominent cases). The problem with the US incarceration rate isn't that the US wrongly puts millions of people into prison, it's that the US puts people into prison with sentences that are too long.
- catalogia 6y ago
  > demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt [...] those people shouldn't have been in prison for the crimes in question. That's basically the opposite of how it's meant to work.
- kelnos 6y ago
  > Now demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt, with vast supporting evidence, that most of those people shouldn't have been in prison for the crimes in question. "Shouldn't have been" is a value judgment; by my values, anyone in prison for a non-violent drug "offense" should not be there. Just did a quick search, and for federal crimes, looks like the drug-related prison population is a whopping 46% of the total, at just under 70k inmates. Not sure what the violent vs. non-violent breakdown is, but even if the violent ones are 75% of those, 17k people () is still a lot. If we assume that the federal prison population is composed similarly to all the state prisons, that's 250k inmates for non-violent drug crimes. Yes, I know I made some guesses and assumptions around those numbers, and if anyone has some better figures, I'd be happy to correct myself, but there's 250k people should not be in prison in the US, based on my values.

thereare5lights 6y ago

> The US doesn't have concentration camps with hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. No, instead we have mass incarceration that is rife with corruption and mechanical to the point where prosecutors don't care if people are guilty, they just pile on whatever charges they can so they can pad their resume. We literally have the world's largest prison population, millions of people in prison. We have private prisons and literally have had judges SELL KIDS to them. At most? LMAO.

La1n 6y ago

>Guantanamo the prisoners have a modicum of rights There are prisoners there that have never been even charged. They are being tortured, tapes and records are being destroyed. These people have no rights.