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Just to counter some of the negative news, my wife had COVID, she picked it up at work from her colleagues where the majority of them had COVID, even the recept

Just to counter some of the negative news, my wife had COVID, she picked it up at work from her colleagues where the majority of them had COVID, even the reception staff at their medical practice where she works all got COVID and when she was at home coughing I also got COVID. We all had mild symptoms, mostly a cough, fever and loss of smell and taste. We all recovered from it like from a cold or flu. At no point did anything bad happen. No organ damages. No lasting health issues. This was in April, so many weeks ago and we’ve all been super healthy and fit since then. At her work nobody even talks about it because it’s such a non thing in their eyes. I perform physically just as good as I did before I got ill. So there’s that, good first hand experiences which you’ll never hear because it doesn’t fit the current media narrative. Luckily smart people will look at science and hard statistical facts rather than individual selected stories. Anxious people will always be anxious. You can choose to call me a liar or whatever, but Prince Charles had COVID and recovered from it like from a normal cold, so did the British prime minister, lots of staff and MPs around him, so did Tom Hanks, Idris Elba, and literary hundreds of other super famous celebrities from old to young. You going to call them all liars too? It’s important to stay mentally healthy and I think people need to stop reading this fear provoking nonsense which really doesn’t change anything except making people mentally ill. The virus won’t become more or less dangerous by reading sensationalised news stories which aim at playing into people’s worst fears. I find it abhorrent.

smcl 6y ago
I’m not sure what your point is here. Everyone knows by now that it’s possible to get COVID, experience mild symptoms and recover. However some people also die or recover and experience severe respiratory issues, and this is an interesting thing to study and report on. The article isn’t sensationalist or alarmist. It’s not calling anyone a liar - to be honest I’ve no idea what your “you going to call them all liars too?” comment is directed at.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  > However some people also die or recover and experience severe respiratory issues, and this is an interesting thing to study and report on I fully agree on that. I'm not disappointed about the studying, but the media coverage and amplification of people's irrational fears. There is many viruses out there which kill humans and cause all sorts of post viral effects which can last for months and we should all study them, get better at treating them, and finding new ways of curing them and that is fine, but it doesn't help to make lots of people mentally ill by singling out a disease and making people prisoners of their own fears. For example, in Brazil people should be more worried about getting Dengue fever, which you cannot easily prevent by washing your hands and keeping social distance, yet you don't hear about Dengue at all, because it's been normalised and there's no news story today. So the media just jump on something novel where there is still potential for playing into people's fears and they capitalise on this. I'm sick and tired of watching many people around me getting depressed and falling into lows because of fears of just going even for a walk in the park. Social media and the internet have always amplified the worst of humans. It's a joke that we've known for years that if you google for a pain in your toe you'll get diagnosed with a terminal brain cancer on the internet. It shouldn't really be a surprise that we see the same thing happening for COVID-19.
  - matwood 6y ago
    > For example, in Brazil people should be more worried about getting Dengue fever Huh? 700-1400+ people/day are dying of COVID in Brazil with ~200 total deaths from Dengue this year. I'm not really sure how you can equate 78k [1] deaths from COVID in Brazil so far with the ~200 [2] from Dengue. You mentioned in your first post to look at the facts and numbers. Where are your numbers coming from? [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/ [2] http://outbreaknewstoday.com/dengue-fever-more-than-1-million-cases-reported-in-the-americas-most-in-brazil-and-paraguay-92360/ http://outbreaknewstoday.com/dengue-fever-more-than-1-millio...
steve_taylor 6y ago
> We all recovered from it like from any other cold or flu. It's neither a cold nor flu, as "other" implies.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  Thanks, now that you pointed out the grammar mistake I have corrected it. The essence of my comment hasn't changed at all though :)
lm28469 6y ago
You're doing exactly what you're criticizing... Anecdotes are meaningless, yours included, it doesn't matter if it's Idris Elba or the Queen of England, what matter are stats, and they don't lie, a non negligible percent of people get real sick and will have lasting effects. Is it a coincidence that the only first world country that failed at containing the epidemic tells everyone that "it's not that bad", "not so many people will die", "there are no side effects", it's a disgrace.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  > Anecdotes are meaningless, yours included Agreed, which is why I specifically point out to look at statistical facts and not individual stories. > You're doing exactly what you're criticizing No, because I specifically point out to look at the actual numbers rather than individual stories ;) > Is it a coincidence that the only first world country that failed at containing the epidemic tells everyone that "it's not that bad", "not so many people will die", "there are no side effects", it's a disgrace. Not sure which country you are talking about. I live in the UK and think there's many things we could have done better and many things where we overreacted. I don't think any country has contained the virus, as the virus cannot be contained. We see small outbreaks everywhere, so it's difficult to claim that anyone has contained it. For every country which has done X you'll find another country which hasn't done X and their curves still look incredibly similar. Take Sweden as an example. We haven't heard any news on Sweden for a while, which can only mean that they must be doing well now and looking at their curves they did flatten indeed and their death counts are drastically going down. So I think anyone who is smart enough not wanting to embarrass themselves will know to hold back with any premature clever comparisons until a couple years down the line.
  - matwood 6y ago
    > Take Sweden as an example. We haven't heard any news on Sweden for a while, which can only mean that they must be doing well now and looking at their curves they did flatten indeed and their death counts are drastically going down. There's been a lot of news on Sweden. Last week: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-c... Just a couple of days ago: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths-make-sweden-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths... Daily deaths have gone down, but Sweden remains the 5th worse with overall deaths per capita in the world. It will be interesting to see how the Swedish strategy plays out when the summer ends.
Tokkemon 6y ago
It was Prince Charles that got it.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  Thanks, small mistake I corrected.
matwood 6y ago
Who is calling you a liar? My wife's grandmother caught COVID in a nursing home and remained completely asymptomatic. Meanwhile, many others in the same home died. I know people who had your experience and others who had the worst sickness of their lives. And unfortunately I know others who have lost relatives to COVID. The point is that it's a dice roll right now, and we know only some of the factors that come into play. We are also only now learning about possible long term effects (what this article is about). This is the 'science' and 'hard facts' you speak about. BTW, the British PM ended up in the ICU for a period of time so not really like the typical cold or flu. Yes, there is a certain amount of risk in every day life. But, this is one I'd rather avoid taking for as long as possible. If for nothing else, every day we learn more about treatment.
maxerickson 6y ago
The graph at the top of the article shows the percentage of the 143 people enrolled that had each symptom at their post Covid follow up. You know, 'statistics'. The media narrative in this article is that many people have lingering problems, not that everyone does.
- mortehu 6y ago
  But the enrollment criteria was being discharged from a hospital after recovery from COVID-19. It was not a random sample of infected people. None of the text leading up to the graph or any text on the graph itself makes this clear.
varjag 6y ago
> ...recovered from it like from a normal cold, so did the British prime minister …say what? He was in intensive care.

smcl 6y ago

I’m not sure what your point is here. Everyone knows by now that it’s possible to get COVID, experience mild symptoms and recover. However some people also die or recover and experience severe respiratory issues, and this is an interesting thing to study and report on. The article isn’t sensationalist or alarmist. It’s not calling anyone a liar - to be honest I’ve no idea what your “you going to call them all liars too?” comment is directed at.

dustinmoris 6y ago
> However some people also die or recover and experience severe respiratory issues, and this is an interesting thing to study and report on I fully agree on that. I'm not disappointed about the studying, but the media coverage and amplification of people's irrational fears. There is many viruses out there which kill humans and cause all sorts of post viral effects which can last for months and we should all study them, get better at treating them, and finding new ways of curing them and that is fine, but it doesn't help to make lots of people mentally ill by singling out a disease and making people prisoners of their own fears. For example, in Brazil people should be more worried about getting Dengue fever, which you cannot easily prevent by washing your hands and keeping social distance, yet you don't hear about Dengue at all, because it's been normalised and there's no news story today. So the media just jump on something novel where there is still potential for playing into people's fears and they capitalise on this. I'm sick and tired of watching many people around me getting depressed and falling into lows because of fears of just going even for a walk in the park. Social media and the internet have always amplified the worst of humans. It's a joke that we've known for years that if you google for a pain in your toe you'll get diagnosed with a terminal brain cancer on the internet. It shouldn't really be a surprise that we see the same thing happening for COVID-19.
- matwood 6y ago
  > For example, in Brazil people should be more worried about getting Dengue fever Huh? 700-1400+ people/day are dying of COVID in Brazil with ~200 total deaths from Dengue this year. I'm not really sure how you can equate 78k [1] deaths from COVID in Brazil so far with the ~200 [2] from Dengue. You mentioned in your first post to look at the facts and numbers. Where are your numbers coming from? [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/ [2] http://outbreaknewstoday.com/dengue-fever-more-than-1-million-cases-reported-in-the-americas-most-in-brazil-and-paraguay-92360/ http://outbreaknewstoday.com/dengue-fever-more-than-1-millio...

steve_taylor 6y ago

> We all recovered from it like from any other cold or flu. It's neither a cold nor flu, as "other" implies.

dustinmoris 6y ago
Thanks, now that you pointed out the grammar mistake I have corrected it. The essence of my comment hasn't changed at all though :)

lm28469 6y ago

You're doing exactly what you're criticizing... Anecdotes are meaningless, yours included, it doesn't matter if it's Idris Elba or the Queen of England, what matter are stats, and they don't lie, a non negligible percent of people get real sick and will have lasting effects. Is it a coincidence that the only first world country that failed at containing the epidemic tells everyone that "it's not that bad", "not so many people will die", "there are no side effects", it's a disgrace.

dustinmoris 6y ago
> Anecdotes are meaningless, yours included Agreed, which is why I specifically point out to look at statistical facts and not individual stories. > You're doing exactly what you're criticizing No, because I specifically point out to look at the actual numbers rather than individual stories ;) > Is it a coincidence that the only first world country that failed at containing the epidemic tells everyone that "it's not that bad", "not so many people will die", "there are no side effects", it's a disgrace. Not sure which country you are talking about. I live in the UK and think there's many things we could have done better and many things where we overreacted. I don't think any country has contained the virus, as the virus cannot be contained. We see small outbreaks everywhere, so it's difficult to claim that anyone has contained it. For every country which has done X you'll find another country which hasn't done X and their curves still look incredibly similar. Take Sweden as an example. We haven't heard any news on Sweden for a while, which can only mean that they must be doing well now and looking at their curves they did flatten indeed and their death counts are drastically going down. So I think anyone who is smart enough not wanting to embarrass themselves will know to hold back with any premature clever comparisons until a couple years down the line.
- matwood 6y ago
  > Take Sweden as an example. We haven't heard any news on Sweden for a while, which can only mean that they must be doing well now and looking at their curves they did flatten indeed and their death counts are drastically going down. There's been a lot of news on Sweden. Last week: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-c... Just a couple of days ago: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths-make-sweden-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths... Daily deaths have gone down, but Sweden remains the 5th worse with overall deaths per capita in the world. It will be interesting to see how the Swedish strategy plays out when the summer ends.

Tokkemon 6y ago

It was Prince Charles that got it.

dustinmoris 6y ago
Thanks, small mistake I corrected.

matwood 6y ago

Who is calling you a liar? My wife's grandmother caught COVID in a nursing home and remained completely asymptomatic. Meanwhile, many others in the same home died. I know people who had your experience and others who had the worst sickness of their lives. And unfortunately I know others who have lost relatives to COVID. The point is that it's a dice roll right now, and we know only some of the factors that come into play. We are also only now learning about possible long term effects (what this article is about). This is the 'science' and 'hard facts' you speak about. BTW, the British PM ended up in the ICU for a period of time so not really like the typical cold or flu. Yes, there is a certain amount of risk in every day life. But, this is one I'd rather avoid taking for as long as possible. If for nothing else, every day we learn more about treatment.

maxerickson 6y ago

The graph at the top of the article shows the percentage of the 143 people enrolled that had each symptom at their post Covid follow up. You know, 'statistics'. The media narrative in this article is that many people have lingering problems, not that everyone does.

mortehu 6y ago
But the enrollment criteria was being discharged from a hospital after recovery from COVID-19. It was not a random sample of infected people. None of the text leading up to the graph or any text on the graph itself makes this clear.

varjag 6y ago

> ...recovered from it like from a normal cold, so did the British prime minister …say what? He was in intensive care.