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The core problem here is that so much value is tied up in houses. People view houses as an investment. If houses depreciated like cars then people aren't so con

The core problem here is that so much value is tied up in houses. People view houses as an investment. If houses depreciated like cars then people aren't so concerned about the value of there house b/c it won't make or break retirement. Any long term housing solution needs to find a way of preventing houses from becoming investments.

chongli 6y ago
Houses do depreciate like cars. Houses are money pits. It’s land that is the investment. The earth may have a huge amount of land but the amount of desirable land is tiny by comparison. Lots of people will spend a million dollars on a house and tear it down to the ground so they can rebuild. To them, the house essentially had negative value. The land was all they wanted.
- t-writescode 6y ago
  > Lots of people will spend a million dollars on a house and tear it down to the ground so they can rebuild. At this stage, you're not talking about regular people who are holding their house as their nest egg. Many, many people hold their house as a location they can put money every month that won't disappear and someday might make more money. The kind of people that are buying houses for the land and the kind of people that are buying existing houses to live in are two entirely different income brackets. Lots and lots of people are in the poorer income bracket.
  - chongli 6y ago
    That people put money into their house every month doesn’t change the fact that a great deal of that money doesn’t contribute to wealth building. Interest on mortgage payments, maintenance and repair, renovations, utility bills; these are all sunk costs associated with home ownership.
- amelius 6y ago
  Ok but that doesn't change GP's point. Just substitute land for house in their post.
  - chongli 6y ago
    It changes the point profoundly. Why would we expect land to depreciate? Unless the world’s population goes into decline (always a possibility), land will only continue to become more scarce. As other sources of wealth grow (and not just population), land will go up in price, not down.
kenhwang 6y ago
They're treated like investments partially because they have special tax advantages that other investments wouldn't have. So part of the long term solution may be to actually treat them like investments.
- FpUser 6y ago
  So that even less people will have a chance to have roof over their head? Fuck that
Waterfall 6y ago
Just encourage earthquakes and building on unstable ground. it works in Japan.

chongli 6y ago

Houses do depreciate like cars. Houses are money pits. It’s land that is the investment. The earth may have a huge amount of land but the amount of desirable land is tiny by comparison. Lots of people will spend a million dollars on a house and tear it down to the ground so they can rebuild. To them, the house essentially had negative value. The land was all they wanted.

t-writescode 6y ago
> Lots of people will spend a million dollars on a house and tear it down to the ground so they can rebuild. At this stage, you're not talking about regular people who are holding their house as their nest egg. Many, many people hold their house as a location they can put money every month that won't disappear and someday might make more money. The kind of people that are buying houses for the land and the kind of people that are buying existing houses to live in are two entirely different income brackets. Lots and lots of people are in the poorer income bracket.
- chongli 6y ago
  That people put money into their house every month doesn’t change the fact that a great deal of that money doesn’t contribute to wealth building. Interest on mortgage payments, maintenance and repair, renovations, utility bills; these are all sunk costs associated with home ownership.
amelius 6y ago
Ok but that doesn't change GP's point. Just substitute land for house in their post.
- chongli 6y ago
  It changes the point profoundly. Why would we expect land to depreciate? Unless the world’s population goes into decline (always a possibility), land will only continue to become more scarce. As other sources of wealth grow (and not just population), land will go up in price, not down.

kenhwang 6y ago

They're treated like investments partially because they have special tax advantages that other investments wouldn't have. So part of the long term solution may be to actually treat them like investments.

FpUser 6y ago
So that even less people will have a chance to have roof over their head? Fuck that

Waterfall 6y ago

Just encourage earthquakes and building on unstable ground. it works in Japan.