5 ms·

Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them.

by koheripbal 6y ago

krapp 6y ago
> Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them. You keep pointing that out as if it actually means something.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  You keep denying it as if no one watches the video themselves
  - krapp 6y ago
    Anyone can buy a patch that says "POLICE" on it and sew it to some fatigues. That's not a legitimate form of identification. There is no law enforcement organization or bureau named "POLICE" which one could petition, interview or sue. Stop being purposely obtuse.
    - lostmsu 6y ago
      That's a stupid argument. Anyone can buy any easily visible publicly recognizable sign. I fail to see how this badge is insufficient in a potentially aggressive situation.
      - krapp 6y ago
        It's insufficient because it doesn't identify someone as a member of law enforcement in a way that can actually be verified. Someone in fatigues with a "POLICE" patch driving up in an unmarked van could be the police, or they could be Federal agents, FBI, ATF, ICE, or the like, or they could be some random militia acting like vigilantes. They could be protestors false-flagging. They could be anyone.
      - fzeroracer 6y ago
        So let's change the situation then. If someone was trying to kick in your door wearing generic fatigues and a patch that says 'POLICE' while refusing to identify themselves, would you let them in? I'm assuming that would be sufficient identity for you to agree that they are in fact police and they have a sufficient reason to kick in your door.
        koheripbal 6y ago
        Yes, absolutely, and so should you if you're smart.
- alexose 6y ago
  He's pointed it out six(!) times now. Aside from the that it really isn't clear (a small yellow patch on the front of an otherwise military-styled uniform, not to mention the unmarked vehicles), the definition of "police" really matters here. They aren't police as any regular citizen would understand them. They are U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents, whose objectives have nothing to do with the city of Portland or its residents.
e12e 6y ago
Are they police, though? I was under the impression that federal agents are not police? Should they not identify as whatever agency they are? I would even imagine (but I could be wildly wrong about this) that for example an FBI agent is not allowed to identify as a police officer?
- koheripbal 6y ago
  Federal agents often wear "Police" because that is the most well recognized word to indicate law enforcement - and works in multiple languages. The point is to ensure that arrestees know they are law enforcement. There is no legal requirement to indicate they are police, let alone the specific department they are in. An undercover officer can arrest someone without any badge or marking at all. > an FBI agent is not allowed to identify as a police officer? I don't know what gave you that impression. They are law enforcement officers with the jurisdiction to arrest anywhere in the US.

Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them.

krapp 6y ago

> Because the uniforms clearly say "POLICE" on them. You keep pointing that out as if it actually means something.

koheripbal 6y ago
You keep denying it as if no one watches the video themselves
- krapp 6y ago
  Anyone can buy a patch that says "POLICE" on it and sew it to some fatigues. That's not a legitimate form of identification. There is no law enforcement organization or bureau named "POLICE" which one could petition, interview or sue. Stop being purposely obtuse.
  - lostmsu 6y ago
    That's a stupid argument. Anyone can buy any easily visible publicly recognizable sign. I fail to see how this badge is insufficient in a potentially aggressive situation.
    - krapp 6y ago
      It's insufficient because it doesn't identify someone as a member of law enforcement in a way that can actually be verified. Someone in fatigues with a "POLICE" patch driving up in an unmarked van could be the police, or they could be Federal agents, FBI, ATF, ICE, or the like, or they could be some random militia acting like vigilantes. They could be protestors false-flagging. They could be anyone.
    - fzeroracer 6y ago
      So let's change the situation then. If someone was trying to kick in your door wearing generic fatigues and a patch that says 'POLICE' while refusing to identify themselves, would you let them in? I'm assuming that would be sufficient identity for you to agree that they are in fact police and they have a sufficient reason to kick in your door.
      - koheripbal 6y ago
        Yes, absolutely, and so should you if you're smart.
alexose 6y ago
He's pointed it out six(!) times now. Aside from the that it really isn't clear (a small yellow patch on the front of an otherwise military-styled uniform, not to mention the unmarked vehicles), the definition of "police" really matters here. They aren't police as any regular citizen would understand them. They are U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents, whose objectives have nothing to do with the city of Portland or its residents.

e12e 6y ago

Are they police, though? I was under the impression that federal agents are not police? Should they not identify as whatever agency they are? I would even imagine (but I could be wildly wrong about this) that for example an FBI agent is not allowed to identify as a police officer?

koheripbal 6y ago
Federal agents often wear "Police" because that is the most well recognized word to indicate law enforcement - and works in multiple languages. The point is to ensure that arrestees know they are law enforcement. There is no legal requirement to indicate they are police, let alone the specific department they are in. An undercover officer can arrest someone without any badge or marking at all. > an FBI agent is not allowed to identify as a police officer? I don't know what gave you that impression. They are law enforcement officers with the jurisdiction to arrest anywhere in the US.