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Piggybacking off of this, Private Internet Access (PIA) has actually had their no logging policy "proven in court" via this method multiple times. [1][2] Full

Piggybacking off of this, Private Internet Access (PIA) has actually had their no logging policy "proven in court" via this method multiple times. [1][2] Full disclosure: I work at PIA. [1]https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-no-logging-claims-tested-in-fbi-case-160312/ https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-no-logging-claims-tes... [2]https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-claims-proven-true-again-in-court-180606/ https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-...

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Is there any way to prove that is not NSA, say, and set up to only catch the biggest fish, or to always present parallel construction for criminals caught this way?
- bdcravens 6y ago
  Of course you can't prove that, any more than you can't prove that YCombinator or FastMail aren't similar NSA operatives.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
  That's an interesting philosophical question.[1][2] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#P... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence
  - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
    I like you. I tend towards pyrhonism (or maybe I don't!) so I appreciate that response. Degree of proof is a relative: Maybe a terror organisation use PIA, NSA go fishing for evidence PIA has nothing. Terror org assassinate NSA head. PIA could be a front, but NSA head had to be willing to lose his life to hide the fakery, and terror org wasn't a big enough fish ... more likely you're currently in a coma. Lots of places for false premises to creep in. Dial it back, is there a point where there'd ever be enough evidence?
TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
I wouldn't trust PIA for anything. The whole company is shrouded in secrecy. After speaking at length with an ex-employee of PIA who now maintains this open-source iOS VPN client: https://passepartoutvpn.app/ https://passepartoutvpn.app/ many (most?) employees and contractors at PIA have no idea of the identify of their direct managers. Imagine working for a company and not knowing your manager's real name. Now imagine trusting that company with your internet traffic.
- airstrike 6y ago
  Disgruntled employees aren't necessarily the least biased sources one can find
  - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
    Who said he is disgruntled?
Causality1 6y ago
Has PIA solved that issue a lot of providers have where services like Google voice recognition just fail to work better than half the time? I presently use AirVPN to bypass my carrier's video streaming limits but barely being able to use Assistant is a pain.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago

Is there any way to prove that is not NSA, say, and set up to only catch the biggest fish, or to always present parallel construction for criminals caught this way?

bdcravens 6y ago
Of course you can't prove that, any more than you can't prove that YCombinator or FastMail aren't similar NSA operatives.
bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
That's an interesting philosophical question.[1][2] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#P... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  I like you. I tend towards pyrhonism (or maybe I don't!) so I appreciate that response. Degree of proof is a relative: Maybe a terror organisation use PIA, NSA go fishing for evidence PIA has nothing. Terror org assassinate NSA head. PIA could be a front, but NSA head had to be willing to lose his life to hide the fakery, and terror org wasn't a big enough fish ... more likely you're currently in a coma. Lots of places for false premises to creep in. Dial it back, is there a point where there'd ever be enough evidence?

TedDoesntTalk 6y ago

I wouldn't trust PIA for anything. The whole company is shrouded in secrecy. After speaking at length with an ex-employee of PIA who now maintains this open-source iOS VPN client: https://passepartoutvpn.app/ https://passepartoutvpn.app/ many (most?) employees and contractors at PIA have no idea of the identify of their direct managers. Imagine working for a company and not knowing your manager's real name. Now imagine trusting that company with your internet traffic.

airstrike 6y ago
Disgruntled employees aren't necessarily the least biased sources one can find
- TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
  Who said he is disgruntled?

Causality1 6y ago

Has PIA solved that issue a lot of providers have where services like Google voice recognition just fail to work better than half the time? I presently use AirVPN to bypass my carrier's video streaming limits but barely being able to use Assistant is a pain.