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>It's tyranny when the people being arrested have not committed any crimes. Why would you assume they haven't committed a crime? The camouflaged cops are clear

>It's tyranny when the people being arrested have not committed any crimes. Why would you assume they haven't committed a crime? The camouflaged cops are clearly targeting individuals, not kettling up whole groups of peaceful protesters. Also, police brutality doesn't excuse serious crimes. We can do something about both at the same time. I don't presume guilt (this is America, after all), but I rather suspect the Federales have some reason to arrest some but not others, and that reason might be things like arson, assault, or other serious crimes. I'm not arguing that the media have pumped some things up to get ratings, but it's undeniable there have been criminal acts in and around legitimate protesters, perpetrated by bad actors, and it's not unreasonable to think perhaps the Feds have some evidence of wrongdoing by virtue of the targeted nature of the arrests.

fzeroracer 6y ago
> Why would you assume they haven't committed a crime? > I don't presume guilt (this is America, after all) These two lines are explicitly at odds. You said you don't presume guilt, but you presumed the people the cops are picking up have committed a crime. You have presumed guilt.
- yeetawayhn 6y ago
  No, you just misunderstand what the presumption of innocence means. It means that people are assumed to be innocent and that it is the duty of the prosecution to show their guilt. It doesn't mean that you can't arrest people suspected of a crime. That's how arrests work, FYI.
Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
> Why would you assume they haven't committed a crime? Because "Innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to be a ideal in the USA. Also, the people being kidnapped are often being released with no charges. Source: https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unm... > I don't presume guilt (this is America, after all), but I rather suspect the Federales have some reason to arrest some but not others, and that reason might be things like arson, assault, or other serious crimes. The first 4 words of this statement don't work with the rest of the sentence. You claim to not presume guilt, then essentially claim that they must be guilty or else why would they be arrested? Despite how much unwarranted police brutality is going on, you're continuing to defend the authorities. You are part of the problem.
- yeetawayhn 6y ago
  "Innocent until proven guilty" does not prevent a suspect from being arrested. Being released with no charges is not a statement of innocence or guilt, but of whether the prosecutor believes there is enough evidence to go through with prosecution.
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    All true, but considering the extreme abuse of authority that's been happening at the protests, I'm far more inclined to believe arrests have been unlawful.

fzeroracer 6y ago

> Why would you assume they haven't committed a crime? > I don't presume guilt (this is America, after all) These two lines are explicitly at odds. You said you don't presume guilt, but you presumed the people the cops are picking up have committed a crime. You have presumed guilt.

yeetawayhn 6y ago
No, you just misunderstand what the presumption of innocence means. It means that people are assumed to be innocent and that it is the duty of the prosecution to show their guilt. It doesn't mean that you can't arrest people suspected of a crime. That's how arrests work, FYI.

Sohcahtoa82 6y ago

> Why would you assume they haven't committed a crime? Because "Innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to be a ideal in the USA. Also, the people being kidnapped are often being released with no charges. Source: https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unm... > I don't presume guilt (this is America, after all), but I rather suspect the Federales have some reason to arrest some but not others, and that reason might be things like arson, assault, or other serious crimes. The first 4 words of this statement don't work with the rest of the sentence. You claim to not presume guilt, then essentially claim that they must be guilty or else why would they be arrested? Despite how much unwarranted police brutality is going on, you're continuing to defend the authorities. You are part of the problem.

yeetawayhn 6y ago
"Innocent until proven guilty" does not prevent a suspect from being arrested. Being released with no charges is not a statement of innocence or guilt, but of whether the prosecutor believes there is enough evidence to go through with prosecution.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  All true, but considering the extreme abuse of authority that's been happening at the protests, I'm far more inclined to believe arrests have been unlawful.