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> the extremely low rate of teacher pay (for a job that requires a Master's degree) limits the pool of available teachers greatly. Teacher pay is not extremely

by treis 6y ago

> the extremely low rate of teacher pay (for a job that requires a Master's degree) limits the pool of available teachers greatly. Teacher pay is not extremely low. The median teacher salary is usually pretty close to the median salary for the state. Plus they get good benefits, a pension, and much more time off than other jobs. It's a solid middle class life.

Kapura 6y ago
ok thank you for explaining my family's lived experience to me, the person whose family's lived experience it is. Maybe later you could swing by and tell me if I'm finding the sun hot or not.
- treis 6y ago
  Your family's lived experience doesn't change the statistics.
  - Kapura 6y ago
    Ah, statistics. A notoriously accurate and complete way of understanding how other people live.
    - jimbokun 6y ago
      Yes, it is. Anecdotes tell you very little about the bigger picture.
kodt 6y ago
Is it close to the median salary for a job that requires a bachelors and also has a significant number if workers with Masters degrees? The fact that people constantly compare teaching salaries to non-professional jobs and minimum wage workers is very telling.
jarpadat 6y ago
The median educational attainment is "some college". In my state we require teachers to hold a degree and do some postgraduate work, so by definition it isn't a "median" position. That's before we get into it recently becoming a dangerous job
hysan 6y ago
Ehh... those statistics are often skewed. First hit on search for elementary school teacher median salary comparison[1]: > ...median annual income of $58,230. > This number would be above the average salary in the U.S., but it's the median of an awfully wide range of salaries. Elementary school teachers in the bottom 10% of income only made around $37,780, while those in the highest 10% could make as much as $95,270. You then scroll down to the section on per-state numbers and see the wide gaps between states. You also see that this article, like others, suddenly jump to using mean instead of median. I usually don't play this card, but show the data. You are likely only looking at a specific statistical lens that does not paint a real picture. [1]: https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/ https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/
- treis 6y ago
  In all states median teacher salary is higher than median income. Highest gap is 35k in New York and lowest gap is Oklahoma at 5.7k. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/05/16/states-where-teachers-paid-most-and-least/34964975/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/05/16/stat...

by treis 6y ago

Kapura 6y ago

ok thank you for explaining my family's lived experience to me, the person whose family's lived experience it is. Maybe later you could swing by and tell me if I'm finding the sun hot or not.

treis 6y ago
Your family's lived experience doesn't change the statistics.
- Kapura 6y ago
  Ah, statistics. A notoriously accurate and complete way of understanding how other people live.
  - jimbokun 6y ago
    Yes, it is. Anecdotes tell you very little about the bigger picture.

kodt 6y ago

Is it close to the median salary for a job that requires a bachelors and also has a significant number if workers with Masters degrees? The fact that people constantly compare teaching salaries to non-professional jobs and minimum wage workers is very telling.

jarpadat 6y ago

The median educational attainment is "some college". In my state we require teachers to hold a degree and do some postgraduate work, so by definition it isn't a "median" position. That's before we get into it recently becoming a dangerous job

hysan 6y ago

Ehh... those statistics are often skewed. First hit on search for elementary school teacher median salary comparison[1]: > ...median annual income of $58,230. > This number would be above the average salary in the U.S., but it's the median of an awfully wide range of salaries. Elementary school teachers in the bottom 10% of income only made around $37,780, while those in the highest 10% could make as much as $95,270. You then scroll down to the section on per-state numbers and see the wide gaps between states. You also see that this article, like others, suddenly jump to using mean instead of median. I usually don't play this card, but show the data. You are likely only looking at a specific statistical lens that does not paint a real picture. [1]: https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/ https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/

treis 6y ago
In all states median teacher salary is higher than median income. Highest gap is 35k in New York and lowest gap is Oklahoma at 5.7k. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/05/16/states-where-teachers-paid-most-and-least/34964975/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/05/16/stat...