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I was thinking the same thing watching these videos of them jumping out of minivans. It looks like kidnapping. I worry for the person who will make this mistak

by ideals 6y ago

I was thinking the same thing watching these videos of them jumping out of minivans. It looks like kidnapping. I worry for the person who will make this mistake because the officers will return fire and leave another person murdered in the street. They're putting their own officers lives in danger by doing this as well. This isn't war, casualties shouldn't be an acceptable side effect to public protests in the US

kyleee 6y ago
Probably not wise to fire at federal officers
- olliej 6y ago
  That’s the problem - they aren’t identifying themselves as federal officers, they aren’t displaying legally require identification. So it is reasonable to defend yourself. But then police who murdered breonna Taylor claimed (in a stand your ground state) that her boyfriend committed a crime when he shot back at a group of i identified people that burst into their house and shot his girlfriend. So yeah it would be a bloodbath. A bloodbath caused by the federal government choosing to kidnap and murder people.
  - kyleee 6y ago
    very interesting, so they don't have any patches or any identifying information on them?
    - olliej 6y ago
      Correct, and they didn’t say where they were going or what they were charged with. At least one person had their hat pulled down so they couldn’t see anything. He only found out he had been to the local court house after he had been dumped in a random part of the city Despite document (and recording) his “arrest” law enforcement said there was no record of his being picked up at all. There have been multiple articles covering this.
    - yeetawayhn 6y ago
      They do, you can see them on closer videos taken.
      - olliej 6y ago
        From the opb report it sounds like they were essentially just little badges that say "police". There is no federal "police" department. There's a number of federal agencies that do "law" enforcement and similar, but none of them are police. US Police departments are a part of incorporated cities. Outside of such cities, you get sheriffs. Between states you get the FBI, Treasury, Marshalls, etc. These people were being taken to a federal courthouse, implying that they were federal agents, the only groups in Portland at the moment are ICE and the US Marshall service. The former has a fairly terrible human and constitutional rights record so I would guess it was probably them, but who knows - we know that they've had people "arrested" but have no record of the arrest. Which means it was an abduction by the federal gov with the intent to terrorise and escalate the conflict.
        yeetawayhn 6y ago
        > From the opb report it sounds like they were essentially just little badges that say "police". Which means that the OPB report is being intentionally misleading. Which is unsurprising for much of the media covering the events. This doesn't come off as an honest criticism, as even having the specific agency insignia would just be blown off.
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    > a group of i identified people I'm assuming this is a typo, and you meant "a group of unidentified people"

by ideals 6y ago

kyleee 6y ago

Probably not wise to fire at federal officers

olliej 6y ago
That’s the problem - they aren’t identifying themselves as federal officers, they aren’t displaying legally require identification. So it is reasonable to defend yourself. But then police who murdered breonna Taylor claimed (in a stand your ground state) that her boyfriend committed a crime when he shot back at a group of i identified people that burst into their house and shot his girlfriend. So yeah it would be a bloodbath. A bloodbath caused by the federal government choosing to kidnap and murder people.
- kyleee 6y ago
  very interesting, so they don't have any patches or any identifying information on them?
  - olliej 6y ago
    Correct, and they didn’t say where they were going or what they were charged with. At least one person had their hat pulled down so they couldn’t see anything. He only found out he had been to the local court house after he had been dumped in a random part of the city Despite document (and recording) his “arrest” law enforcement said there was no record of his being picked up at all. There have been multiple articles covering this.
  - yeetawayhn 6y ago
    They do, you can see them on closer videos taken.
    - olliej 6y ago
      From the opb report it sounds like they were essentially just little badges that say "police". There is no federal "police" department. There's a number of federal agencies that do "law" enforcement and similar, but none of them are police. US Police departments are a part of incorporated cities. Outside of such cities, you get sheriffs. Between states you get the FBI, Treasury, Marshalls, etc. These people were being taken to a federal courthouse, implying that they were federal agents, the only groups in Portland at the moment are ICE and the US Marshall service. The former has a fairly terrible human and constitutional rights record so I would guess it was probably them, but who knows - we know that they've had people "arrested" but have no record of the arrest. Which means it was an abduction by the federal gov with the intent to terrorise and escalate the conflict.
      - yeetawayhn 6y ago
        > From the opb report it sounds like they were essentially just little badges that say "police". Which means that the OPB report is being intentionally misleading. Which is unsurprising for much of the media covering the events. This doesn't come off as an honest criticism, as even having the specific agency insignia would just be blown off.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  > a group of i identified people I'm assuming this is a typo, and you meant "a group of unidentified people"