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I believe that you are debating in good faith. I'm just flummoxed by your assertions. It frustrates me to no end that things that I think should be incontrover

I believe that you are debating in good faith. I'm just flummoxed by your assertions. It frustrates me to no end that things that I think should be incontrovertible are not. The division between "left" and "right" is destroying our country and I'm desperate to try to find some way of some dialog to find common ground. I've failed consistently so far. Edit: "political" discourse comes in different flavors -- there's the tribal/theater/personality side (where most of the ugliness lives), and there's the policy side which is entirely germane to our lives. It is the policy issue that I'm interested in.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Agreed. I respect that HN doesn't want to be the place for that dialogue - having apolitical spaces is probably a key component of finding common ground - but I struggle to identify anywhere where it could happen nowadays.
- pstuart 6y ago
  It should be positive dialog. I try my best but slip when I'm tired and frustrated, mea culpa. Could we try this again with an explicit goal of finding common ground? For example, I'm not a supporter of rioting (but there's some compelling thoughts that in some cases it effectively becomes necessary because the system has failed those involved). I throw that last part in to acknowledge that the topic of "civil unrest" is complicated and can't be reduced demonizing every instance and participant (e.g., the Boston Tea Party is celebrated in our annals of American History). Likewise, I'm not for eliminating all policing, but I do think the current structure we have does not serve society well. You can't fix what ain't broke, and it ain't broke until it's noticed. Thoughts?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I'd like to, but the rate limit dang mentioned leaves me unable to have long discussions - I won't be permitted to make more than a handful of comments a day. More generally, he's made it clear that my opinions on this kind of topic are simply not welcome here. I'm planning to take a break from the site through the weekend, and then start from a clean slate with a new handle SaltyLemonZest where I won't make any comments on any political topic.
    - pstuart 6y ago
      Roger that. But this "meeting in the middle" thing is a worthwhile goal, n'est pas? My email is in my profile. If you'd like to explore this directly I would be thrilled. If not, I understand as well.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Agreed. I respect that HN doesn't want to be the place for that dialogue - having apolitical spaces is probably a key component of finding common ground - but I struggle to identify anywhere where it could happen nowadays.

pstuart 6y ago
It should be positive dialog. I try my best but slip when I'm tired and frustrated, mea culpa. Could we try this again with an explicit goal of finding common ground? For example, I'm not a supporter of rioting (but there's some compelling thoughts that in some cases it effectively becomes necessary because the system has failed those involved). I throw that last part in to acknowledge that the topic of "civil unrest" is complicated and can't be reduced demonizing every instance and participant (e.g., the Boston Tea Party is celebrated in our annals of American History). Likewise, I'm not for eliminating all policing, but I do think the current structure we have does not serve society well. You can't fix what ain't broke, and it ain't broke until it's noticed. Thoughts?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I'd like to, but the rate limit dang mentioned leaves me unable to have long discussions - I won't be permitted to make more than a handful of comments a day. More generally, he's made it clear that my opinions on this kind of topic are simply not welcome here. I'm planning to take a break from the site through the weekend, and then start from a clean slate with a new handle SaltyLemonZest where I won't make any comments on any political topic.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    Roger that. But this "meeting in the middle" thing is a worthwhile goal, n'est pas? My email is in my profile. If you'd like to explore this directly I would be thrilled. If not, I understand as well.