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You'd get shot back, and you very well might lose the civil suit: In every video I've seen, there's a big POLICE patch on their plate carriers. That doesn't ma

You'd get shot back, and you very well might lose the civil suit: In every video I've seen, there's a big POLICE patch on their plate carriers. That doesn't make what's happening super awesome, but OTOH it's not like these are like the Russian Little Green Men in Ukraine, operating without any visible affiliation whatsoever.

dragonwriter 6y ago
> You'd get shot back, and you very well might lose the civil suit: In every video I've seen, there's a big POLICE patch on their plate carriers. If having a POLICE patch is a license to commit violence without the target having a right to self-defense, that’s...a problem. > OTOH it's not like these are like the Russian Little Green Men in Ukraine, operating without any visible affiliation whatsoever. It's exactly like that: LGM were armed troops that wore generic military-style fatigues with no identification with a specific accountable organization, though behavior and common sense linked them on some level to the Russian governmwnr. These armed troops wear generic law-enforcement style gear with no identification with a specific accountable organization, though behavior and common sense link them to the US federal government. It's exactly the same thing, except that it's internal unaccountable repression and not an external not-quite-plausibly-deniable invasion.
- aerostable_slug 6y ago
  > If having a POLICE patch is a license to commit violence without the target having a right to self-defense, that’s...a problem. I suppose so, but it's currently within the law to do so. In fact, the police don't always have to identify themselves as the police in certain exigent circumstances (!). It's also a common myth that universally the police must identify themselves personally and give a badge number. That's up to department policy. I support reform in these cases, at the least requiring officers to wear patches that uniquely identifies them ("X25" or something) for later use in court. That said, what we are seeing is within the bounds of the law today. >It's exactly the same thing No, it really isn't. Men in civilian clothing or blank fatigues blowing things up with zero identification is indeed distinguishable from men in uniform with American flag and POLICE patches.
  - OnlineCourage 6y ago
    > No, it really isn't. Men in civilian clothing or blank fatigues blowing things up with zero identification is indeed distinguishable from men in uniform with American flag and POLICE patches. How so?
    - aerostable_slug 6y ago
      A reasonable observer could conclude that they are almost certainly American law enforcement. Is is difficult to tell that these German fellows are police officers? https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg The LGM had no patches, no flags, nothing to indicate to a reasonable observer where they were from or what authority they might have. This was more pronounced with LGM in civilian clothing: https://i.redd.it/2sukgo8bjjl41.png https://i.redd.it/2sukgo8bjjl41.png I'm not a giant fan of the cammies. I think a solid color would suffice for all but snipers and it looks less militaristic. But that doesn't negate the fact that all of the videos show men with POLICE patches in the middle of their plate carriers and American flags on their uniforms.
      - yeetawayhn 6y ago
        > A reasonable observer could conclude that they are almost certainly American law enforcement. Is is difficult to tell that these German fellows are police officers? >https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg Based on the comments here, it is difficult for these people. Perhaps they are not reasonable observers?

dragonwriter 6y ago

> You'd get shot back, and you very well might lose the civil suit: In every video I've seen, there's a big POLICE patch on their plate carriers. If having a POLICE patch is a license to commit violence without the target having a right to self-defense, that’s...a problem. > OTOH it's not like these are like the Russian Little Green Men in Ukraine, operating without any visible affiliation whatsoever. It's exactly like that: LGM were armed troops that wore generic military-style fatigues with no identification with a specific accountable organization, though behavior and common sense linked them on some level to the Russian governmwnr. These armed troops wear generic law-enforcement style gear with no identification with a specific accountable organization, though behavior and common sense link them to the US federal government. It's exactly the same thing, except that it's internal unaccountable repression and not an external not-quite-plausibly-deniable invasion.

aerostable_slug 6y ago
> If having a POLICE patch is a license to commit violence without the target having a right to self-defense, that’s...a problem. I suppose so, but it's currently within the law to do so. In fact, the police don't always have to identify themselves as the police in certain exigent circumstances (!). It's also a common myth that universally the police must identify themselves personally and give a badge number. That's up to department policy. I support reform in these cases, at the least requiring officers to wear patches that uniquely identifies them ("X25" or something) for later use in court. That said, what we are seeing is within the bounds of the law today. >It's exactly the same thing No, it really isn't. Men in civilian clothing or blank fatigues blowing things up with zero identification is indeed distinguishable from men in uniform with American flag and POLICE patches.
- OnlineCourage 6y ago
  > No, it really isn't. Men in civilian clothing or blank fatigues blowing things up with zero identification is indeed distinguishable from men in uniform with American flag and POLICE patches. How so?
  - aerostable_slug 6y ago
    A reasonable observer could conclude that they are almost certainly American law enforcement. Is is difficult to tell that these German fellows are police officers? https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg The LGM had no patches, no flags, nothing to indicate to a reasonable observer where they were from or what authority they might have. This was more pronounced with LGM in civilian clothing: https://i.redd.it/2sukgo8bjjl41.png https://i.redd.it/2sukgo8bjjl41.png I'm not a giant fan of the cammies. I think a solid color would suffice for all but snipers and it looks less militaristic. But that doesn't negate the fact that all of the videos show men with POLICE patches in the middle of their plate carriers and American flags on their uniforms.
    - yeetawayhn 6y ago
      > A reasonable observer could conclude that they are almost certainly American law enforcement. Is is difficult to tell that these German fellows are police officers? >https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg https://i.redd.it/b6xjl7nugoq41.jpg Based on the comments here, it is difficult for these people. Perhaps they are not reasonable observers?