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We did it, Reddit.

bgb54 6y ago
That speculation, specifically an organized Saudi hit à la Khashoggi and leaning on geopolitics and business regulation to make its case, dominated the HN thread. The discussion was sprinkled with dumping on Nigeria’s systems and business environment, assuming because he wasn’t American that he had to borrow from shady characters, linking recent changes to his business to the killing, and panicked nailbiting over NYT descriptions of his condo hitting a little close to home. With few exceptions (such as accusing Saleh of being involved with cocaine), the examples I’ve mentioned found themselves steering the discussion, not downvoted in the slightest. I wish the HN guideline was “there’s no upside for anyone mentioning Reddit from an often glass house” instead of specifically calling out comparisons of this site to that one. When this forum dumps on Reddit, it walks away with an impression of superiority that could not be further from the truth. Observe my sibling. All forums have their problems and HN is not blessed with immunity. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23847195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23847195 is the main overall thread, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23848397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23848397 is another including smug necros, and there are many others.
- Redoubts 6y ago
  This is the most HN post I've seen in a long time.
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- kbenson 6y ago
  > When this forum dumps on Reddit, it walks away with an impression of superiority that could not be further from the truth. Observe my sibling. All forums have their problems and HN is not blessed with immunity. At the same time, I would rather HN have a false sense of superiority that sometimes keeps it from descending to the depths as people at least make the attempt sometimes to keep it better than that, rather than just accept that it's often no different, and thus excuse that behavior when it happens. That is, having the perception of superiority is helpful in as much as it allows comments like yours to have weight. Your comment on Reddit might be met with "well, duh, it's Reddit." Hopefully here some people are instead thinking about what they want this forum to be and whether they helped or hindered that. That's a bit pretentious of me to say, but I also think it's true.
- uniqueid 6y ago
  > When this forum dumps on Reddit, it walks away with an > impression of superiority that could not be further > from the truth. It could be further from the truth.
- vkou 6y ago
  > assuming because he wasn’t American that he had to borrow from shady characters, linking recent changes to his business to the killing, and panicked nailbiting over NYT descriptions of his condo hitting a little close to home. With few exceptions (such as accusing Saleh of being involved with cocaine), the examples I’ve mentioned found themselves steering the discussion, not downvoted in the slightest. Indeed. Because the cost of the deceased's apartment was mentioned, folks started grasping at straws, some assuming it's a politically motivated (with a vague implication that this may have been class warfare) killing.
- unishark 6y ago
  Personally I'm just a tourist that posts here now and then (maybe a bit too much lately). And I have posted on Reddit more and for longer. I'm not some kind of smug HN insider that gains personally by it being seen as superior in some way. And this site is way better than Reddit. In terms of maturity, intelligence, site rules, etc. Though I don't really get what you seem to be upset about regarding the armchair detective work. The cops led with the same general theory. The victim actually _was_ american (correct me if I'm wrong here) but he did business in foreign countries.
  - sharken 6y ago
    What sets HN apart from Reddit are the more articulated comments due to these key factors * Downvoting is not available for everyone. * No sub forums, so no fragmentation. * Less known than Reddit meaning fewer trolls. * No UI makeover :) * Great admins.
- rangibaby 6y ago
  “We did it Reddit” is quoting a Reddit comment made when the Reddit hive mind found a bunch of “evidence” that a certain guy was the Boston bomber, but he turned out to be someone totally innocent
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koheripbal 6y ago
Reddit really is one of the worst places on the internet.
- kinleyd 6y ago
  Frankly, that depends on the communities to which you subscribe. Select the right ones and it is a wonderful place to be.
  - rconti 6y ago
    I've been hearing this for at least a decade. Same for Twitter. Seems to never work for me. And yet an un-curated FB feed is more enjoyable to me, which makes me a rube in some many folks' eyes. I do think a lot of it comes down to one's tolerance for internet n00bs, popularity by upvotes rather than personal connection, an respect for influencers -- whether in the intellectual, professional, or stylistic realm. Different strokes, I guess.
    - kinleyd 6y ago
      Yes, certainly different strokes. For me the fire hose of trending topics was too much, even with the occasionally fantastic post among them. So I rarely go there. Then there are the really large communities covering subjects that interest me. I do subscribe to them but rarely interact because it's still a fire hose - responses to comments are really sensitive to the time of day and since I'm at least half to a full day off the timezone of the average community member, trying to interact is futile. Then there are the smaller communities, usually tech for me. There is no longer that fire hose, and individuals are genuinely interested in learning something new, or sharing something new, often created by them. Add a number of this type of community and your daily feed becomes transformative.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  It really is. And when you are looking to solve a problem, particularly one in an area you are not an expert in, it’s just so good. Niche subs have a wealth of information, help and offers of direct messaging to help solve problems. When you hit a helpful sub it’s infectious too, and you find yourself passing on the support you received when you see someone struggling. I used to live in Stack Overflow for help, but the closed and shut down questions just kills things. ‘Duplicate of...,’ ‘Off-topic,’ ‘Needs details or clarity,’ ‘Needs more focus,’ or ‘Opinion-based‘. I wasn’t even postings, as I was sure that the septic tone would become focused on me.
fjdjsmsm 6y ago
Yes, all of the people currently speculating on the motives behind the Twitter hack should remember how mundane and stupid things often are. Sometimes it is a mistake to overthink things. Small time grift is more common than grand conspiracy theories.

We did it, Reddit.

That speculation, specifically an organized Saudi hit à la Khashoggi and leaning on geopolitics and business regulation to make its case, dominated the HN thread. The discussion was sprinkled with dumping on Nigeria’s systems and business environment, assuming because he wasn’t American that he had to borrow from shady characters, linking recent changes to his business to the killing, and panicked nailbiting over NYT descriptions of his condo hitting a little close to home. With few exceptions (such as accusing Saleh of being involved with cocaine), the examples I’ve mentioned found themselves steering the discussion, not downvoted in the slightest. I wish the HN guideline was “there’s no upside for anyone mentioning Reddit from an often glass house” instead of specifically calling out comparisons of this site to that one. When this forum dumps on Reddit, it walks away with an impression of superiority that could not be further from the truth. Observe my sibling. All forums have their problems and HN is not blessed with immunity. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23847195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23847195 is the main overall thread, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23848397 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23848397 is another including smug necros, and there are many others.

Redoubts 6y ago
This is the most HN post I've seen in a long time.
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kbenson 6y ago
> When this forum dumps on Reddit, it walks away with an impression of superiority that could not be further from the truth. Observe my sibling. All forums have their problems and HN is not blessed with immunity. At the same time, I would rather HN have a false sense of superiority that sometimes keeps it from descending to the depths as people at least make the attempt sometimes to keep it better than that, rather than just accept that it's often no different, and thus excuse that behavior when it happens. That is, having the perception of superiority is helpful in as much as it allows comments like yours to have weight. Your comment on Reddit might be met with "well, duh, it's Reddit." Hopefully here some people are instead thinking about what they want this forum to be and whether they helped or hindered that. That's a bit pretentious of me to say, but I also think it's true.
uniqueid 6y ago
> When this forum dumps on Reddit, it walks away with an > impression of superiority that could not be further > from the truth. It could be further from the truth.
vkou 6y ago
> assuming because he wasn’t American that he had to borrow from shady characters, linking recent changes to his business to the killing, and panicked nailbiting over NYT descriptions of his condo hitting a little close to home. With few exceptions (such as accusing Saleh of being involved with cocaine), the examples I’ve mentioned found themselves steering the discussion, not downvoted in the slightest. Indeed. Because the cost of the deceased's apartment was mentioned, folks started grasping at straws, some assuming it's a politically motivated (with a vague implication that this may have been class warfare) killing.
unishark 6y ago
Personally I'm just a tourist that posts here now and then (maybe a bit too much lately). And I have posted on Reddit more and for longer. I'm not some kind of smug HN insider that gains personally by it being seen as superior in some way. And this site is way better than Reddit. In terms of maturity, intelligence, site rules, etc. Though I don't really get what you seem to be upset about regarding the armchair detective work. The cops led with the same general theory. The victim actually _was_ american (correct me if I'm wrong here) but he did business in foreign countries.
- sharken 6y ago
  What sets HN apart from Reddit are the more articulated comments due to these key factors * Downvoting is not available for everyone. * No sub forums, so no fragmentation. * Less known than Reddit meaning fewer trolls. * No UI makeover :) * Great admins.
rangibaby 6y ago
“We did it Reddit” is quoting a Reddit comment made when the Reddit hive mind found a bunch of “evidence” that a certain guy was the Boston bomber, but he turned out to be someone totally innocent

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koheripbal 6y ago

Reddit really is one of the worst places on the internet.

kinleyd 6y ago
Frankly, that depends on the communities to which you subscribe. Select the right ones and it is a wonderful place to be.
- rconti 6y ago
  I've been hearing this for at least a decade. Same for Twitter. Seems to never work for me. And yet an un-curated FB feed is more enjoyable to me, which makes me a rube in some many folks' eyes. I do think a lot of it comes down to one's tolerance for internet n00bs, popularity by upvotes rather than personal connection, an respect for influencers -- whether in the intellectual, professional, or stylistic realm. Different strokes, I guess.
  - kinleyd 6y ago
    Yes, certainly different strokes. For me the fire hose of trending topics was too much, even with the occasionally fantastic post among them. So I rarely go there. Then there are the really large communities covering subjects that interest me. I do subscribe to them but rarely interact because it's still a fire hose - responses to comments are really sensitive to the time of day and since I'm at least half to a full day off the timezone of the average community member, trying to interact is futile. Then there are the smaller communities, usually tech for me. There is no longer that fire hose, and individuals are genuinely interested in learning something new, or sharing something new, often created by them. Add a number of this type of community and your daily feed becomes transformative.
lostlogin 6y ago
It really is. And when you are looking to solve a problem, particularly one in an area you are not an expert in, it’s just so good. Niche subs have a wealth of information, help and offers of direct messaging to help solve problems. When you hit a helpful sub it’s infectious too, and you find yourself passing on the support you received when you see someone struggling. I used to live in Stack Overflow for help, but the closed and shut down questions just kills things. ‘Duplicate of...,’ ‘Off-topic,’ ‘Needs details or clarity,’ ‘Needs more focus,’ or ‘Opinion-based‘. I wasn’t even postings, as I was sure that the septic tone would become focused on me.

fjdjsmsm 6y ago

Yes, all of the people currently speculating on the motives behind the Twitter hack should remember how mundane and stupid things often are. Sometimes it is a mistake to overthink things. Small time grift is more common than grand conspiracy theories.