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Unboxing a 5G Protection Device
- kozak 6y agoHow is it not illegal to sell these?
- faeyanpiraat 6y agoThey probably are, but it’s unfeasible for law enforcement to prevent all crimes.
- azinman2 6y agoMy guess is the illegal bit is in the claims, not the device itself.
- SahAssar 6y agoIt does not directly claim any health benefits. If this is illegal then it would be illegal to sell "healing" crystals and goop would not exist. Really it's not much different than selling a wooden cross that will "protect you against satan".
- AstralStorm 6y agoIt does claim, however, removing 5G waves. Which if true, would fall under radar jamming in FCC and be highly illegal. $50k fine. (Unless it is passive - aluminum foil or a mesh cage, which is perfectly legal.) Therefore it's false advertising.
- SahAssar 6y agoDoes it? All I can see on their site that implies blocking/jamming is "balance and harmonisation of the harmful effects of imbalanced electric radiation", which seems vague and pseudo-science-y enough to not break any laws.
- AstralStorm 6y agoBut does it do that? If I put the device near test rats subject to really excess SAR, will it prevent them from being cooked?
- SahAssar 6y agoAre "balance and harmonisation" exact enough terms that you can disprove them? Can that sentence even be called a technical or medical claim considering how vague it is? Vitaminwater has some drink called "balance", would that fall under the same thing? They also have something called "revive" but I don't think you can call it illegal just because it won't revive people from death.
- AstralStorm 6y agoWell, it does claim a specific noxious agent it does something against. Much like you couldn't say something balances and harmonizes your body against cancer or say heavy metals when it does not do such a thing.
- SahAssar 6y agoIt says it does something about something. Neither "balance and harmonisation" or "imbalanced electric radiation" are precise enough terms to disprove I'd think. Then again, I'm in no way an expert on quack healing devices or RF engineering.
- andreareina 6y ago"These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA^H^H^H MHRA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease."
- AstralStorm 6y agoRadio waves are under the purview of FCC not FDA. (Unlike laser light.) MHRA has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Regulatory body in UK for radio waves is also separate from MHRA. I might be wrong there but I think it's CAA, while spectrum allocations are UK parliament.
- raxxorrax 6y agoOh, I thought it would about some kind of mechanism against vandalism. How naive of me in the early hours... Surrounding yourself with a strong electromagnetic field should help you shield against electromagne... forget it.
- LeonM 6y ago> Surrounding yourself with a strong electromagnetic field... Clearly you haven't read the advert, it's a 'nano-layer of quantum holographic catalyzer technology'
- woadwarrior01 6y agoWhat a lazy job! The least they could’ve done was to throw in a low frequency oscillator, to give it some credibility. Fighting high-frequencies with low. :) OTOH, the reasoning for poor construction of these devices is probably similar to the reasoning for poor English in 419 scam emails.
- AstralStorm 6y agoHaving an oscillator on radio frequencies would require FCC stamp of approval.
- consp 6y agoConsidering the same people who sell this crap online also sell stuff to force you to inhale ozone and carry radioactive materials on your chest as health items I do not think they care much about FCC approval
- AstralStorm 6y agoFree money from them. $50k per device.
- lvturner 6y agoThe FCC doesn't have jurisdiction in the United Kingdom.
- Eyght 6y agoOn the subject of placebo technology. How well do HN think placebo software would work? An example would be a productivity app that only has a flip switch for High or Low productivity. Whenever you need to be extra productive, just open the app and set it to High.
- SiempreViernes 6y agoWould it add a slight matrix-style effect of symbols streaming down the screen? Or at least set the cpu fan to high?
- heavenlyblue 6y agoMake the display brightness higher. Or rather sharpness, maybe?
- stinos 6y agoThis has actually been researched and the science is pretty clear on this one: the placebo effect is very real and does work. As a matter of fact IIRC (sorry, can't find the paper) some experiments with the principle as you describe have been done and came to that same conclusion.
- dmix 6y ago> How well do HN think placebo software would work? Would work at what? Make people 'happy'?
- Eyght 6y agoThe software would have to make a claim. For example, improve your posture.
- comboy 6y agoIt wouldn't be just placebo though. Clearly separating time when you want to be productive vs playing around is an old and effective trick. Placebo apps that make your Internet faster are as old as the Internet itself though. I am guilty. In my defense, that was 20 years ago.
- metrokoi 6y agoI wonder if there would be a market for actual electromagnetic shielding products, such as some sort of conductive paint for walls and ceilings? Of course, you could not use your phone or other devices, but it could be useful for the bedroom. A good way to have a guaranteed "do-not-disturb" zone as well!
- AstralStorm 6y agoAlso a guaranteed way to be unable to call emergency. You better have a stationary wired phone line in there.
- metrokoi 6y agoOf course. Although if one couldn't walk/crawl a few feet out of a bedroom for an emergency, they are probably unconscious or have a very large bedroom. I'm assuming the marketed consumer would have minimal usage of a cell phone anyway if they are concerned about electromagnetic radiation.
- AstralStorm 6y agoI was thinking more of a whole living space. It's actually not that bad if you have a phone within a walking distance and the area is safe. But then it's more about self discipline. You can always shut down the devices yourself instead of relying on a curtain measure for that which might prove annoying.
- AstralStorm 6y agoThe market is there, schools would love this technology. The problem is that simple thin coat of aluminized paint is super expensive, as is a big mesh. And phones are very effective at getting the low signals through any available hole in filter coverage.
- JPLeRouzic 6y agoI wonder if it would be possible to install a 4G network extender [0] then implement IP route rules on the ADSL router, to forbid access to Facebook and co? [0] https://www.verizon.com/support/4g-lte-network-extender-faqs/ https://www.verizon.com/support/4g-lte-network-extender-faqs...
- carlob 6y agoI had this idea of starting a business selling homeopathic antidotes to vaccines. If anyone wants to partner up...
- Namari 6y agoWhat would you want to treat?
- AstralStorm 6y agoExcess of money combined with lack of sense. (Or non-existent side effects of vaccines.)
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- contravariant 6y agoBeing proper homeopathic antidotes I assume you'd be using trace amounts of the active, supposedly harmful, substance in vaccines?
- classified 6y agoThat would be on the order of one molecule of vaccino-poison to each liter of distilled holy water. Don't be disappointed if you never find that molecule, it's all about the vibrations ;-)
- stinos 6y agoSort of related: had a customer with a problem where data on a serial line got corrupted which is usually resolved by applying proper shielding all around the cable, i.e. standard Faraday cage principle. So English not being my native language I wanted to explain this in correct terms and entered the term 'emf shielding' in a search engine just to doublecheck. I think 90% of the results on the result page were all like this, 'protect your family from dangerous EMF'-style. Image search: the same, images of entire iron curtains meant to be put around your bed etc. Since this was using Duckduckgo, which as far as I know does not suffer from the typical 'search bubble' like on Google, I'm afraid this is an accurate representation of.. what actually? The internet being flooded by companies wanting to make easy money? There being serious amounts of people with a misunderstanding of EMF, it's sources and effects?
- jcun4128 6y agoUnrelated: was thinking how it would be possible to truly prove uniqueness eg. by DNA but it seems everything can be spoofed. One way to avoid it is computation eg. captcha but yeah sucks. This thought related to online voting. I do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse. Like those scams getting busted in certain places eg. fake virus support. People show up to their actual office and do the scam like their 9-5 haha... Idk crazy. I sometimes wish I had that malintent vs. just being a passive people pleaser. Like I'm sorry of my existence. Meanwhile guy jaywalks across traffic to me and asks me for some money so he can go to McDonalds... Idk. Conversely I see a legitimely homeless person and I offer them money, they refuse.
- stinos 6y agoI do find it interesting the desire to harm/screw other people over and feel no remorse I'm not sure this is the driving force here, especially when your description sort of fits the worst psychopaths, and I can think of other principles these people live by which aren't necessarily driven by such 'evil' forces. E.g. desire to survive (==food/shelter) which in modern society usually translates to desire to earn money, see an easy way to do that, feel remorse but ignore it. Alos, after having talked to so-called tinfoil hatters, it seems that a large part of them genuinely believe all these theories (well, or were extremely good in tricking me into believing they believe) and as such also believe they can actually help people so from their point of view it's not a desire to harm or screw over but rather to help. As crippled as that might seem to others. I.e. do not underestimate the power of the human mind to play tricks on itself, or mental problems in other words.
- danparsonson 6y ago"...the slideshow will take you through my discoveries..." - I'm being dim, but where is the slide-show?
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