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Donald Trump?

by kleiba 6y ago

Donald Trump?

dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
A president can’t just “start a war”, muchless order air strikes. dozens of people are involved. Donald Trump yells and hollers all the time and people send Jared to calm him down. There have already been documented instances of this in the Trump admin, and it wasn’t over tweets.
- zestyping 6y ago
  Of course he can. He ordered the assassination of Soleimani in Iraq that could very well have led to a war. Wars are the result of a series of escalations. It doesn't take a lot to knock over the first domino.
  - dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
    He ordered it, and it was executed methodically with over a year of preparation. Everyone was on board, or at least enough people were convinced. On the contrary, take what happened when Trump wanted to bomb Syria, and people basically didn't let him. Presidents, especially weak, un-respected ones like Trump, can't just do things like that.
- computerex 6y ago
  The president has the power to deploy the armed forces abroad without the approval of congress for a period of time.
  - dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
    That's on paper. Then there's reality. And in reality, not many people respect Trump and are willing to follow his orders. This happens constantly in the news. His own cabinet members openly work against him all the time. Most recently consider how Mark Esper publically publicly rejected using the Insurrection Act, right over top of Trump. Now you could say—what if we had some other president? Well, the same social rules would apply to that person as well. Even if they were incredibly charismatic and well-liked and respected, they'd need to clear many social and political hurdles before the airplanes took off.
    - computerex 6y ago
      The president is the commander in chief. In the armed forces following the chain of command is kind of a big deal and there are severe consequences for ignoring a direct moral order from a higher ranked officer.
- NateEag 6y ago
  A US president has the power to unilaterally launch the nuclear arsenal: https://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/trump-and-the-nuclear-codes-how-to-launch-a-nuclear-weapon https://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/trump-and-the-nuclear-c... Whether the military would actually carry out those orders when no one else has ICBMs in the air is debatable, but the president's defined role as the commander-in-chief and the sole arbiter of when to open the gates of hell on earth is not.
  - dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
    > Whether the military would actually carry out those orders when no one else has ICBMs in the air is debatable It's not merely debatable, it's highly debatable. People aren't just going to launch nuclear weapons willy nilly, no matter who the president is, muchless for Donald J. Trump, who few people in his administration take seriously. Trump couldn't even get Mark Esper to deploy troops domestically. Now imagine the hurdles he'd face trying to deploy troops to another country.
    - NateEag 6y ago
      I hope Trump wouldn't actually be able to nuke anyone while throwing a fit, and I think it's unlikely that he could. It is important to remember how the US launch system actually works, though, and that it's theoretically possible he could.
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raxxorrax 6y ago
He is one of the more peaceful presidents. This is ridiculous, there is ample room for criticism against Trump. This wouldn't fit at all. I guess you can blame him on Turkeys reaction in Syria, his staunch anti-Iranian policies that made talks more difficult. But the criticism of him starting random wars comes from an emotional corner beyond reality in my opinion.
- midasz 6y ago
  He's just seen (at least by the ROTW) as very unstable and prone to lashing out. He might not order a war but his inability to govern with rationality and diplomacy does give credence to the side effect of relations worsening to the point of armed conflict.
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  It's ironic that our kids in the future reading wikipedia there will be a table of numbers killed overseas by US presidents. Trump will be listed as one of the most peaceful in that table. It's ironic because his image today is of violence and instability and that the opponents of him don't consider violence overseas or international peace as that important. It's things happening at home which counts politically in a present time. Trump will kill less than Obama but Obama gets the noble peace prize.
  - dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
    I looked it up and from what I could tell, drone strkes are actually up under Trump. I thought they were down, but looks like they just not being reported as much.

Donald Trump?

by kleiba 6y ago

Donald Trump?

A president can’t just “start a war”, muchless order air strikes. dozens of people are involved. Donald Trump yells and hollers all the time and people send Jared to calm him down. There have already been documented instances of this in the Trump admin, and it wasn’t over tweets.

zestyping 6y ago
Of course he can. He ordered the assassination of Soleimani in Iraq that could very well have led to a war. Wars are the result of a series of escalations. It doesn't take a lot to knock over the first domino.
- dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
  He ordered it, and it was executed methodically with over a year of preparation. Everyone was on board, or at least enough people were convinced. On the contrary, take what happened when Trump wanted to bomb Syria, and people basically didn't let him. Presidents, especially weak, un-respected ones like Trump, can't just do things like that.
computerex 6y ago
The president has the power to deploy the armed forces abroad without the approval of congress for a period of time.
- dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
  That's on paper. Then there's reality. And in reality, not many people respect Trump and are willing to follow his orders. This happens constantly in the news. His own cabinet members openly work against him all the time. Most recently consider how Mark Esper publically publicly rejected using the Insurrection Act, right over top of Trump. Now you could say—what if we had some other president? Well, the same social rules would apply to that person as well. Even if they were incredibly charismatic and well-liked and respected, they'd need to clear many social and political hurdles before the airplanes took off.
  - computerex 6y ago
    The president is the commander in chief. In the armed forces following the chain of command is kind of a big deal and there are severe consequences for ignoring a direct moral order from a higher ranked officer.
NateEag 6y ago
A US president has the power to unilaterally launch the nuclear arsenal: https://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/trump-and-the-nuclear-codes-how-to-launch-a-nuclear-weapon https://allthingsnuclear.org/dwright/trump-and-the-nuclear-c... Whether the military would actually carry out those orders when no one else has ICBMs in the air is debatable, but the president's defined role as the commander-in-chief and the sole arbiter of when to open the gates of hell on earth is not.
- dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
  > Whether the military would actually carry out those orders when no one else has ICBMs in the air is debatable It's not merely debatable, it's highly debatable. People aren't just going to launch nuclear weapons willy nilly, no matter who the president is, muchless for Donald J. Trump, who few people in his administration take seriously. Trump couldn't even get Mark Esper to deploy troops domestically. Now imagine the hurdles he'd face trying to deploy troops to another country.
  - NateEag 6y ago
    I hope Trump wouldn't actually be able to nuke anyone while throwing a fit, and I think it's unlikely that he could. It is important to remember how the US launch system actually works, though, and that it's theoretically possible he could.
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raxxorrax 6y ago

He is one of the more peaceful presidents. This is ridiculous, there is ample room for criticism against Trump. This wouldn't fit at all. I guess you can blame him on Turkeys reaction in Syria, his staunch anti-Iranian policies that made talks more difficult. But the criticism of him starting random wars comes from an emotional corner beyond reality in my opinion.

midasz 6y ago
He's just seen (at least by the ROTW) as very unstable and prone to lashing out. He might not order a war but his inability to govern with rationality and diplomacy does give credence to the side effect of relations worsening to the point of armed conflict.
thinkingemote 6y ago
It's ironic that our kids in the future reading wikipedia there will be a table of numbers killed overseas by US presidents. Trump will be listed as one of the most peaceful in that table. It's ironic because his image today is of violence and instability and that the opponents of him don't consider violence overseas or international peace as that important. It's things happening at home which counts politically in a present time. Trump will kill less than Obama but Obama gets the noble peace prize.
- dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
  I looked it up and from what I could tell, drone strkes are actually up under Trump. I thought they were down, but looks like they just not being reported as much.