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20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Can you tell me how you would respond? Sit there and wait for the

20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Can you tell me how you would respond? Sit there and wait for them to assault you?

meheleventyone 6y ago
Right but your original example was someone filming a policeman at close range. Should you be beaten for filming the police?
- greatwhitenorth 6y ago
  Is shoving a camera in a cop's face same as recording from a distance?
  - meheleventyone 6y ago
    No the person is closer but so what? What crime has been committed that justifies extra-judicial beating? Are the police so poorly trained they cannot be filmed at close range without becoming violent?
thephyber 6y ago
So many problems with this argument. > 20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Of the 400 videos, how many of them were this type of situation? I would guess 3 or fewer. This isn't a representative scenario. > Can you tell me how you would respond? People (police or otherwise) who aren't trained will respond in any number of inappropriate ways. Your argument is basically just justification for police to act inappropriately anytime they encounter a situation for which they haven't been explicitly trained. We don't pay police departments 40% of all municipal revenues to put untrained people on the street to act in completely unprofessional ways towards the same people who pay their paychecks, retirement, union dues, medical bills, and department lawsuits. Actually check that. Apparently we do and those departments settle for billions of USD per year in legal settlements. The problem is that the officers largely aren't held accountable -- but the taxpayers frequently are. Moral hazard. > Sit there and wait for them to assault you? Professional police have a whole belt full of tools, a radio (to 40,000 other officers in NYC), a megaphone, a long gun, a short gun, and frequently a tazer. Also, why is an officer in a car surrounded by angry citizens? Because someone in the same uniform mistreated their brother/father/son/husband/etc. Police have a lot of ability to de-escalate the problems before they happen, but they aren't doing it. Instead, police {departments, chiefs, unions, officers, wives} are pointing at violent protesters as if violent protesters have no incentive or excuse to be angry at police. And while we're at it, shouldn't your logic be equally used against officers who assault civilians? Why shouldn't the entire country support civilians defending themselves against officers who use "extralegal" force? (rhetorical question)

20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Can you tell me how you would respond? Sit there and wait for them to assault you?

meheleventyone 6y ago

Right but your original example was someone filming a policeman at close range. Should you be beaten for filming the police?

greatwhitenorth 6y ago
Is shoving a camera in a cop's face same as recording from a distance?
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  No the person is closer but so what? What crime has been committed that justifies extra-judicial beating? Are the police so poorly trained they cannot be filmed at close range without becoming violent?

thephyber 6y ago

So many problems with this argument. > 20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Of the 400 videos, how many of them were this type of situation? I would guess 3 or fewer. This isn't a representative scenario. > Can you tell me how you would respond? People (police or otherwise) who aren't trained will respond in any number of inappropriate ways. Your argument is basically just justification for police to act inappropriately anytime they encounter a situation for which they haven't been explicitly trained. We don't pay police departments 40% of all municipal revenues to put untrained people on the street to act in completely unprofessional ways towards the same people who pay their paychecks, retirement, union dues, medical bills, and department lawsuits. Actually check that. Apparently we do and those departments settle for billions of USD per year in legal settlements. The problem is that the officers largely aren't held accountable -- but the taxpayers frequently are. Moral hazard. > Sit there and wait for them to assault you? Professional police have a whole belt full of tools, a radio (to 40,000 other officers in NYC), a megaphone, a long gun, a short gun, and frequently a tazer. Also, why is an officer in a car surrounded by angry citizens? Because someone in the same uniform mistreated their brother/father/son/husband/etc. Police have a lot of ability to de-escalate the problems before they happen, but they aren't doing it. Instead, police {departments, chiefs, unions, officers, wives} are pointing at violent protesters as if violent protesters have no incentive or excuse to be angry at police. And while we're at it, shouldn't your logic be equally used against officers who assault civilians? Why shouldn't the entire country support civilians defending themselves against officers who use "extralegal" force? (rhetorical question)