7 ms·

> 13.0 | 16:10 | 2K | 450nits | 100% sRGB | Optional Touch > Ultra-narrow bezel | 85% STB It is very nice move from the Dell [0], and also now Lenovo to bring

by pqb 6y ago

> 13.0 | 16:10 | 2K | 450nits | 100% sRGB | Optional Touch > Ultra-narrow bezel | 85% STB It is very nice move from the Dell [0], and also now Lenovo to bring 16:10 display in laptops. It was always for me strange decision, when laptop manufactures decided to use 16:9 displays for all, even for pricey, high-end models. I am highly enthusiastic to see 16:10 displays back after ten years, when numerous notebooks had 15.4" display. [0]: For example Dell Precision 5550 - https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/precision-5550-mobile-workstation/spd/precision-15-5550-laptop?AID=8984087&cjevent=a74879349abf11ea81ac05fc0a180510&gacd=9694607-23736398-5750457-266319267-127795103&dgc=af&VEN1=12578053-8984087-ArsDellPrecisionLatitude&dclid=CKSU_JD8wukCFcaLsgodiE8Dxw#features_section https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebo...

Jaruzel 6y ago
The old Dell Latitude D models had 16:10 displays (albeit at 1280x800 pixels) so for Dell they are bringing it back. 16:9 is just too shallow to do any meaningful work on.
- jbverschoor 6y ago
  It was never meant for work..
  - lmilcin 6y ago
    Yeah... exactly. If I remember there were two drivers. One was entertainment (movies look good on 16:9 although I prefer to have the black bar for subtitles) and another was keyboard. Wider screen meant more space for keyboard with full sized keys which meant smaller laptops possible at the same diagonal. Also worth mentioning that shallower screen at the same diagonal has less area.
  - pqb 6y ago
    Oh c'mon, many laptops in last decade had 1366x768 display and many people still downscale theirs 1920x1080 into 1600x900 or 1440x810, because they have problems to comfortable see and read text from screen :) Dell D-series are at least twelve years old [0] (example model with 16:10 display [1]). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Latitude_D8x0_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Latitude_D8x0_se... [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D830-Notebook.4305.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D830-Note... Edit: I would love to have same resolution (1680x 1050) available from linked D830 (2007) in mine HP Probook 4340s (2012), which I used at university and Unity3D course. It had scrumpy 1366x768.
    - sidpatil 6y ago
      It kills me when I see people downscale their displays to be able to read their text. But I blame the OS developers for this: the display settings should allow you to scale the graphical elements according to your preference.
      - floatboth 6y ago
        Windows 10 is good at this, you can set 125% or 150% UI scale no problem.
    - jbverschoor 6y ago
      The 16:9 is for videos
regularfry 6y ago
I was doing some work on an old 4:3 IBM X41 last weekend. Reminded me what we've lost.
- walterbell 6y ago
  iPad Pro 12.9" provides 4:3 in HiDPI with good battery life, which challenges the claim that laptops couldn't source 4:3 screens.
  - Fiveplus 6y ago
    Also, I would venture a guess - a lot of us are not laptop-gamers and as such, do not look forward to those '>=120Hz' display-panel technologies companies are dedicating so much resources into. A significant part of the reason I'm about to buy an external monitor is the 16:9 ratio vertically challenged little screen on my laptop. This new trend ought to catch on.
    - jrockway 6y ago
      >= 120Hz is great for everything, not just games. Moving your mouse (or scrolling) on a 60Hz monitor after you've used something higher is like looking at a slide show. For example, on a 60Hz monitoring, try panning around a Google Map and reading the labels. They just become a mushy blur. On a higher refresh-rate display, you can read the labels as they move. (I always found this to be an interesting demo: https://testufo.com/persistence https://testufo.com/persistence)
      - Narishma 6y ago
        > >= 120Hz is great for everything It's not great for battery life.
        walterbell 6y ago
        iPad Pro adjusts dynamically.
heelix 6y ago
I just updated my personal laptop with the dell xps 17 largely because it has a glorious 16:10 screen. My only complaints with the machine is the tiny torx screws on back are very fragile - got an M.2 drive waiting to go in it so I can do my linux install. Lovely screen, decent keyboard and trackpad. All in all, pretty happy with it.
- pqb 6y ago
  (A bit off topic) Two months ago, on reddit there was interesting finding and discussion about low quality screws in Dell laptops [0]. Also, if you look for "screw" phrase in r/Dell you will might find that problem is more common than occasional and touches many models, especially noticeable in XPSes. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/gf520r/xps_9570_aliexpresss_screws_better_than/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/gf520r/xps_9570_aliex...
- abdusco 6y ago
  I stripped a couple of screws on my XPS 13 and was about to break the bottom panel out of anger & frustration. Instead I bought a new, quality set of screwdrivers and managed to open it, then replaced torx screws with phillips head M2x3 screws. Highly recommend.
  - mkesper 6y ago
    Torx is much more stable than philips head.
    - tridentlead 6y ago
      To add to this, Phillips screws are designed to cause the screwdriver to cam out. This is done so you can’t over torque the screw hole. This also makes them really annoying sometimes.
      - bityard 6y ago
        No, it was found that they have a tendency to cam out and it was later claimed that cam-out was a feature not a bug.
corty 6y ago
16:9 is popular because its cheaper for the same amount of inches (which people put in ads), because the area is smaller. Also, production numbers are higher because TV screens are also 16:9.
wazoox 6y ago
I've just bought a Lenovo laptop on a rush because my XPS 13 died (as usual, it works fine again now that I have a new laptop to replace it :) It's nice and all, but it has a 3cm wide useless black bezel below the screen that screams "I should have a 16:10 display!!!". At least this one has 3 USB ports, a full size HDMI port and a camera cover...
parliament32 6y ago
Meta but why is it called 16:10 instead of 8:5? Ratios should be brought down to the lowest common denominator, just like every other standard aspect ratio, no?
- BanazirGalbasi 6y ago
  Probably for an easier direct comparison with 16:9, which has been the de-facto standard for years. Without having to do any math, you immediately know that the screen is proportionally taller than a 16:9 screen would be, which makes for easier marketing.
  - e12e 6y ago
    16:9 16:10 16:10.66 (almost 3:2) 16:12 (4:3)
floatboth 6y ago
3:2 is the best. The Microsoft Surface line used 3:2 a lot (always?), and the Google Pixelbook. 16:10 is still better than 16:9, but I want more things to be 3:2.
linsomniac 6y ago
I have a new Dell XPS15, and the "ultra narrow bezel" kind of drives me crazy. I tend to do a lot of terminal based work, in full screen mode, and my fingers block the lower several lines of the screen when I'm using the on-laptop keyboard. It's a great laptop otherwise, and most of the day I'm using it at a desk with external keyboard so it doesn't matter. (full disclosure, It's my first non-thinkpad laptop in decades, and I didn't pay for it, my job did).

by pqb 6y ago

Jaruzel 6y ago

The old Dell Latitude D models had 16:10 displays (albeit at 1280x800 pixels) so for Dell they are bringing it back. 16:9 is just too shallow to do any meaningful work on.

jbverschoor 6y ago
It was never meant for work..
- lmilcin 6y ago
  Yeah... exactly. If I remember there were two drivers. One was entertainment (movies look good on 16:9 although I prefer to have the black bar for subtitles) and another was keyboard. Wider screen meant more space for keyboard with full sized keys which meant smaller laptops possible at the same diagonal. Also worth mentioning that shallower screen at the same diagonal has less area.
- pqb 6y ago
  Oh c'mon, many laptops in last decade had 1366x768 display and many people still downscale theirs 1920x1080 into 1600x900 or 1440x810, because they have problems to comfortable see and read text from screen :) Dell D-series are at least twelve years old [0] (example model with 16:10 display [1]). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Latitude_D8x0_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude#Latitude_D8x0_se... [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D830-Notebook.4305.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D830-Note... Edit: I would love to have same resolution (1680x 1050) available from linked D830 (2007) in mine HP Probook 4340s (2012), which I used at university and Unity3D course. It had scrumpy 1366x768.
  - sidpatil 6y ago
    It kills me when I see people downscale their displays to be able to read their text. But I blame the OS developers for this: the display settings should allow you to scale the graphical elements according to your preference.
    - floatboth 6y ago
      Windows 10 is good at this, you can set 125% or 150% UI scale no problem.
  - jbverschoor 6y ago
    The 16:9 is for videos

regularfry 6y ago

I was doing some work on an old 4:3 IBM X41 last weekend. Reminded me what we've lost.

walterbell 6y ago
iPad Pro 12.9" provides 4:3 in HiDPI with good battery life, which challenges the claim that laptops couldn't source 4:3 screens.
- Fiveplus 6y ago
  Also, I would venture a guess - a lot of us are not laptop-gamers and as such, do not look forward to those '>=120Hz' display-panel technologies companies are dedicating so much resources into. A significant part of the reason I'm about to buy an external monitor is the 16:9 ratio vertically challenged little screen on my laptop. This new trend ought to catch on.
  - jrockway 6y ago
    >= 120Hz is great for everything, not just games. Moving your mouse (or scrolling) on a 60Hz monitor after you've used something higher is like looking at a slide show. For example, on a 60Hz monitoring, try panning around a Google Map and reading the labels. They just become a mushy blur. On a higher refresh-rate display, you can read the labels as they move. (I always found this to be an interesting demo: https://testufo.com/persistence https://testufo.com/persistence)
    - Narishma 6y ago
      > >= 120Hz is great for everything It's not great for battery life.
      - walterbell 6y ago
        iPad Pro adjusts dynamically.

heelix 6y ago

I just updated my personal laptop with the dell xps 17 largely because it has a glorious 16:10 screen. My only complaints with the machine is the tiny torx screws on back are very fragile - got an M.2 drive waiting to go in it so I can do my linux install. Lovely screen, decent keyboard and trackpad. All in all, pretty happy with it.

pqb 6y ago
(A bit off topic) Two months ago, on reddit there was interesting finding and discussion about low quality screws in Dell laptops [0]. Also, if you look for "screw" phrase in r/Dell you will might find that problem is more common than occasional and touches many models, especially noticeable in XPSes. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/gf520r/xps_9570_aliexpresss_screws_better_than/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/gf520r/xps_9570_aliex...
abdusco 6y ago
I stripped a couple of screws on my XPS 13 and was about to break the bottom panel out of anger & frustration. Instead I bought a new, quality set of screwdrivers and managed to open it, then replaced torx screws with phillips head M2x3 screws. Highly recommend.
- mkesper 6y ago
  Torx is much more stable than philips head.
  - tridentlead 6y ago
    To add to this, Phillips screws are designed to cause the screwdriver to cam out. This is done so you can’t over torque the screw hole. This also makes them really annoying sometimes.
    - bityard 6y ago
      No, it was found that they have a tendency to cam out and it was later claimed that cam-out was a feature not a bug.

corty 6y ago

16:9 is popular because its cheaper for the same amount of inches (which people put in ads), because the area is smaller. Also, production numbers are higher because TV screens are also 16:9.

wazoox 6y ago

I've just bought a Lenovo laptop on a rush because my XPS 13 died (as usual, it works fine again now that I have a new laptop to replace it :) It's nice and all, but it has a 3cm wide useless black bezel below the screen that screams "I should have a 16:10 display!!!". At least this one has 3 USB ports, a full size HDMI port and a camera cover...

parliament32 6y ago

Meta but why is it called 16:10 instead of 8:5? Ratios should be brought down to the lowest common denominator, just like every other standard aspect ratio, no?

BanazirGalbasi 6y ago
Probably for an easier direct comparison with 16:9, which has been the de-facto standard for years. Without having to do any math, you immediately know that the screen is proportionally taller than a 16:9 screen would be, which makes for easier marketing.
- e12e 6y ago
  16:9 16:10 16:10.66 (almost 3:2) 16:12 (4:3)

floatboth 6y ago

3:2 is the best. The Microsoft Surface line used 3:2 a lot (always?), and the Google Pixelbook. 16:10 is still better than 16:9, but I want more things to be 3:2.

linsomniac 6y ago

I have a new Dell XPS15, and the "ultra narrow bezel" kind of drives me crazy. I tend to do a lot of terminal based work, in full screen mode, and my fingers block the lower several lines of the screen when I'm using the on-laptop keyboard. It's a great laptop otherwise, and most of the day I'm using it at a desk with external keyboard so it doesn't matter. (full disclosure, It's my first non-thinkpad laptop in decades, and I didn't pay for it, my job did).