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With URLs like that, it makes me wonder if they are telling the whole story. I don't understand why people make science "pointed"? Do people get extra credit f

With URLs like that, it makes me wonder if they are telling the whole story. I don't understand why people make science "pointed"? Do people get extra credit for not being the status quo? Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist.

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randomchars 6y ago
> Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist. This makes me very-very sad, but unfortunately that doesn't exists. Not only are studies are mostly observation, where you have to answer questions about what you eat (I can barely recall what I ate 3 days ago, not 3 months), and are usually funded by a corporation. You can basically find a study for everything and it's complete opposite.
nradov 6y ago
Unfortunately almost no human nutrition studies meet evidence-based medicine standards. And in fairness to the scientists, the constraints imposed by funding and ethics make it impossible to do really meaningful research. All we get are observational studies which show some correlation, often mixed up with multiple uncontrolled confounding factors. So if you want to try a different diet like extreme low carb or whatever then go ahead. Maybe it will work for you, maybe it won't. In the worst case it probably won't kill you.
- shlant 6y ago
  > In the worst case it probably won't kill you Unfortunately, that is also not necessarily true: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19027591/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19027591/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15679508/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15679508/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15329077/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15329077/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11575609/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11575609/
  - PudgePacket 6y ago
    > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23273808/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23273808/ > Conclusions: The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. ?
    - shlant 6y ago
      edited. Thanks for catching that. I have a lot of different links in my notes haha
  - keymone 6y ago
    There’s “probably” in GP’s comment.
bluGill 6y ago
Nutrition studies come in two forms: these results apply to those confined to a hospital bed (or prison cell) and probably do not generalize to the normal population ; and despite our best efforts we were unable to get the subjects to adhere to their assigned diet. Things aren't quite that bad, but it is close. It doesn't help that many people have a bias and look for ways to bias their study. Studies that don't control for smoking find vegetarian diets are a lot healthier than those that do.

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randomchars 6y ago

> Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist. This makes me very-very sad, but unfortunately that doesn't exists. Not only are studies are mostly observation, where you have to answer questions about what you eat (I can barely recall what I ate 3 days ago, not 3 months), and are usually funded by a corporation. You can basically find a study for everything and it's complete opposite.

nradov 6y ago

Unfortunately almost no human nutrition studies meet evidence-based medicine standards. And in fairness to the scientists, the constraints imposed by funding and ethics make it impossible to do really meaningful research. All we get are observational studies which show some correlation, often mixed up with multiple uncontrolled confounding factors. So if you want to try a different diet like extreme low carb or whatever then go ahead. Maybe it will work for you, maybe it won't. In the worst case it probably won't kill you.

shlant 6y ago
> In the worst case it probably won't kill you Unfortunately, that is also not necessarily true: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19027591/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19027591/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15679508/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15679508/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15329077/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15329077/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11575609/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11575609/
- PudgePacket 6y ago
  > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23273808/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23273808/ > Conclusions: The KD is a safe and efficacious therapy for intractable childhood epilepsy in Chinese children. The influence of age on efficacy is worth further investigation. ?
  - shlant 6y ago
    edited. Thanks for catching that. I have a lot of different links in my notes haha
- keymone 6y ago
  There’s “probably” in GP’s comment.

bluGill 6y ago

Nutrition studies come in two forms: these results apply to those confined to a hospital bed (or prison cell) and probably do not generalize to the normal population ; and despite our best efforts we were unable to get the subjects to adhere to their assigned diet. Things aren't quite that bad, but it is close. It doesn't help that many people have a bias and look for ways to bias their study. Studies that don't control for smoking find vegetarian diets are a lot healthier than those that do.