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Unfortunately, there does seem to be a massive lack of consistency on which intolerance to tolerate. Since we’re talking about Bari Weiss, Israel serves as a g

Unfortunately, there does seem to be a massive lack of consistency on which intolerance to tolerate. Since we’re talking about Bari Weiss, Israel serves as a good example. While the left is typically critical of Israel and their “racist”, “apartheid” state, they generally have very little to say about their overtly anti-Semitic neighbor states. I’m sure there’s lots of criticism to go round here, but whoever is talking, the conversation rarely feels objective to me.

throwaway894345 6y ago
I would also suggest we look at how different groups define 'intolerance' in practice. In my opinion, a certain group has contorted the term beyond recognition to the effect that it exactly describes their outgroup. One could be forgiven for thinking this contortion is deliberate, particularly in light of this group's propensity toward semantic games.
disgruntledphd2 6y ago
Israel's a tricky case, to be honest. It's worth noting that the more virulent people on both sides I've encountered tend to be either citizens or residents of America, which I find odd. I do generally agree with your point, but it's a general facet of humans, rather than something specific to an issue.
deanCommie 6y ago
Because it is a universally accepted undisputed fact that all of Israel's neighbors are anti-Semitic to various degrees from "problematic" to "would eagerly initiate a new holocaust if tried". Everyone agrees on this, and that it is a problem. But there is no consensus on Israel. The two most common stances are "Israel is an apartheid state, and commits repeated human right violations" and "Israel is a beacon of democracy in an otherwise troubled region, and should be supported unconditionally regardless of their action". I actually find the latter stance much more problematic. Because they make it seem as if the only alternative to supporting Israel unconditionally is to allow it to be wiped off the map by their enemies. Maybe I'm naive, but I feel like there is a way that Israel could coexist with Palestine in peace, while still defending its integrity.

throwaway894345 6y ago

I would also suggest we look at how different groups define 'intolerance' in practice. In my opinion, a certain group has contorted the term beyond recognition to the effect that it exactly describes their outgroup. One could be forgiven for thinking this contortion is deliberate, particularly in light of this group's propensity toward semantic games.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago

Israel's a tricky case, to be honest. It's worth noting that the more virulent people on both sides I've encountered tend to be either citizens or residents of America, which I find odd. I do generally agree with your point, but it's a general facet of humans, rather than something specific to an issue.

deanCommie 6y ago

Because it is a universally accepted undisputed fact that all of Israel's neighbors are anti-Semitic to various degrees from "problematic" to "would eagerly initiate a new holocaust if tried". Everyone agrees on this, and that it is a problem. But there is no consensus on Israel. The two most common stances are "Israel is an apartheid state, and commits repeated human right violations" and "Israel is a beacon of democracy in an otherwise troubled region, and should be supported unconditionally regardless of their action". I actually find the latter stance much more problematic. Because they make it seem as if the only alternative to supporting Israel unconditionally is to allow it to be wiped off the map by their enemies. Maybe I'm naive, but I feel like there is a way that Israel could coexist with Palestine in peace, while still defending its integrity.