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2 quick comments: 1. Team-sports politics and Identity politics are a scourge and cancer used for fundraising, and I despise them. 2. Conservatives have been

by csours 6y ago

2 quick comments: 1. Team-sports politics and Identity politics are a scourge and cancer used for fundraising, and I despise them. 2. Conservatives have been poisoning public discourse since at least the 1980's with hate and fear (see Rush Limbaugh), and I despise that tactic. I'm sure you can find instances where Liberals have done the same, but it would be VERY hard to convince me that they have done it at the same level of concerted effort. I think reasonable people should be able to discuss differences, but I fear that any public discussion will quickly drop to rote positions and bad faith assumptions.

banads 6y ago
>it would be VERY hard to convince me that they have done it at the same level of concerted effort. What exactly would it take to convince you of that?
- csours 6y ago
  Examples of coordinated liberal messaging based on hate and fear that has had a large impact on social discourse. Note: Safe spaces, affirmative action, etc do not apply for me personally. While they have at times gone off the rails, they are based on inclusiveness, not hate and fear.
  - banads 6y ago
    How many examples would it take to convince you? And do you think it's possible for humans to claim they are driven by altruistic, while actually being primarily hateful, deceitful, divisive, and destructive?
    - csours 6y ago
      > How many examples would it take to convince you? Hundreds, at least. It's been a consistent conservative tactic for decades, to the point where it is unremarkable. Unremarkable does not mean acceptable. See also Trump's lies. Trump lies so often that it's not worth noting each instance. > And do you think it's possible for humans to claim they are being altruistic or inclusive, while actually being primarily hateful, deceitful, and destructive? Sure, and it's also possible to sea lion a discussion while claiming to be reasonable. http://wondermark.com/1k62/ http://wondermark.com/1k62/ I judge that based on outcome and intent.
      - banads 6y ago
        As a thought experiment: are there any examples that you can personally think of where self proclaimed liberals used hate and fear to shape public discourse?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I would characterize the current liberal consensus on race issues to be something like: * There's no activity that's safe from racism. Whether you're participating in a hobby, doing your job, or just hanging out with friends, you've gotta keep yourself worried that there might be racism hiding in the corner. * Racism is almost never benign. If you notice even mild racism, you'd better confront it, because it might be a cover for virulent racists who want to hurt you. Do you think that's unfair?

by csours 6y ago

banads 6y ago

>it would be VERY hard to convince me that they have done it at the same level of concerted effort. What exactly would it take to convince you of that?

csours 6y ago
Examples of coordinated liberal messaging based on hate and fear that has had a large impact on social discourse. Note: Safe spaces, affirmative action, etc do not apply for me personally. While they have at times gone off the rails, they are based on inclusiveness, not hate and fear.
- banads 6y ago
  How many examples would it take to convince you? And do you think it's possible for humans to claim they are driven by altruistic, while actually being primarily hateful, deceitful, divisive, and destructive?
  - csours 6y ago
    > How many examples would it take to convince you? Hundreds, at least. It's been a consistent conservative tactic for decades, to the point where it is unremarkable. Unremarkable does not mean acceptable. See also Trump's lies. Trump lies so often that it's not worth noting each instance. > And do you think it's possible for humans to claim they are being altruistic or inclusive, while actually being primarily hateful, deceitful, and destructive? Sure, and it's also possible to sea lion a discussion while claiming to be reasonable. http://wondermark.com/1k62/ http://wondermark.com/1k62/ I judge that based on outcome and intent.
    - banads 6y ago
      As a thought experiment: are there any examples that you can personally think of where self proclaimed liberals used hate and fear to shape public discourse?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I would characterize the current liberal consensus on race issues to be something like: * There's no activity that's safe from racism. Whether you're participating in a hobby, doing your job, or just hanging out with friends, you've gotta keep yourself worried that there might be racism hiding in the corner. * Racism is almost never benign. If you notice even mild racism, you'd better confront it, because it might be a cover for virulent racists who want to hurt you. Do you think that's unfair?