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And we already know China has been backdooring other equipment: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-in

And we already know China has been backdooring other equipment: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h... So yes, this is a small victory in a massive war.

enitihas 6y ago
You aren't helping your case by citing the Supermicro article, which was denied by both Amazon and Apple, led to widespread criticism of Bloomberg, and no source came forward.
- jaekash 6y ago
  Corporations getting rich off the CCP's action siding with the CCP is hardly surprising.
  - disgu 6y ago
    Bloomberg is not to be trusted when it comes to technology news. Seriously, they're absolutely incompetent. They called Telnet a secret backdoor. Their articles about China are annoying because they're either without any tangible proof whatsoever or simply factually wrong. There are other, better sources.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    This is fallacious thinking, if you already have biases that confirm or deny information in accordance with your conclusion. If you continue to apply different standards of proof you will end up with a distorted perception of the world. Maybe not in this subject (but maybe so), though certainly in many more.
londons_explore 6y ago
The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't get much data and ended up losing touch with his friends who were all group video calling eachother. All these socio-economic costs cascade for decades or more. Do they really outweigh the theoretical ability for another nation to disrupt network traffic for a few hours until a mitigation is put in place?
- nradov 6y ago
  Existing 4G LTE connections work well enough for those use cases you listed; users will hardly notice any difference on 5G. The real benefit of 5G will be in the new types of applications it enables.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    Today... But when webpages become 50 MB each on average, you're going to be waiting a long time for them to load over LTE... Those 'new applications' will be old applications with a few thousand more JavaScript libraries bundled with every page load...
    - fock 6y ago
      so for everyone outside China/the US: what's the problem if you have to stop the consumption of surveillance tools?
    - vetinari 6y ago
      From the experience with LTE-based FWA in the boonies: 50 MB webpages each is fine. Even if someone else is watching youtube on the same connection.
- cm2187 6y ago
  Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but assuming you aren't. No consumer is asking for 5g, and I don't think any consumer will realise the difference. And not sure that 5g can do much good on a train, unless the train circles around inside a big city and never goes in the countryside where what matters is antenna with long range.
  - jvanderbot 6y ago
    5g also doesn't beat my wifi. My wife and I slashed our data plans during COVID.
    - 6y ago
rfoo 6y ago
Wait, it has been two years and people are still referring to that fake story?
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23831415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23831415.

enitihas 6y ago

You aren't helping your case by citing the Supermicro article, which was denied by both Amazon and Apple, led to widespread criticism of Bloomberg, and no source came forward.

jaekash 6y ago
Corporations getting rich off the CCP's action siding with the CCP is hardly surprising.
- disgu 6y ago
  Bloomberg is not to be trusted when it comes to technology news. Seriously, they're absolutely incompetent. They called Telnet a secret backdoor. Their articles about China are annoying because they're either without any tangible proof whatsoever or simply factually wrong. There are other, better sources.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  This is fallacious thinking, if you already have biases that confirm or deny information in accordance with your conclusion. If you continue to apply different standards of proof you will end up with a distorted perception of the world. Maybe not in this subject (but maybe so), though certainly in many more.

londons_explore 6y ago

The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't get much data and ended up losing touch with his friends who were all group video calling eachother. All these socio-economic costs cascade for decades or more. Do they really outweigh the theoretical ability for another nation to disrupt network traffic for a few hours until a mitigation is put in place?

nradov 6y ago
Existing 4G LTE connections work well enough for those use cases you listed; users will hardly notice any difference on 5G. The real benefit of 5G will be in the new types of applications it enables.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  Today... But when webpages become 50 MB each on average, you're going to be waiting a long time for them to load over LTE... Those 'new applications' will be old applications with a few thousand more JavaScript libraries bundled with every page load...
  - fock 6y ago
    so for everyone outside China/the US: what's the problem if you have to stop the consumption of surveillance tools?
  - vetinari 6y ago
    From the experience with LTE-based FWA in the boonies: 50 MB webpages each is fine. Even if someone else is watching youtube on the same connection.
cm2187 6y ago
Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but assuming you aren't. No consumer is asking for 5g, and I don't think any consumer will realise the difference. And not sure that 5g can do much good on a train, unless the train circles around inside a big city and never goes in the countryside where what matters is antenna with long range.
- jvanderbot 6y ago
  5g also doesn't beat my wifi. My wife and I slashed our data plans during COVID.
  - 6y ago

rfoo 6y ago

Wait, it has been two years and people are still referring to that fake story?

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23831415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23831415.