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> I can go on, but I doubt I have the karma :) It's not just karma you're lacking. Behenna for example was held accountable. Your prior insult was quite unwar

> I can go on, but I doubt I have the karma :) It's not just karma you're lacking. Behenna for example was held accountable. Your prior insult was quite unwarranted. Behenna served five years in prison for killing a suspected al-Qaeda terrorist (Mansur) that was linked by an intel report to a roadside bomb (that killed two of Behenna's friends). Behenna was convicted of "unpremeditated murder in a combat zone" and was released from prison in 2014. After prison, Behenna completed five years of parole and Trump pardoned the remaining five years. I don't agree with the pardon, however you of course made it sound like Behenna avoided prison time and there was zero accountability.

pinkfoot 6y ago
And the muppets in the ski area?
- throwanem 6y ago
  Both dishonorably discharged, which has consequences in later life not unakin to a felony conviction, and also renders post-separation benefits null and void. One also served a few months prison time. If you want to argue it's not enough, fine. But to claim they faced no consequences whatsoever is substantively false to fact.
  - pinkfoot 6y ago
    I never claimed they faced no consequences, but the OP's claim that the US military are held to much higher standards of accountability that the civil service is not justified. And I showed why.
  - Dayshine 6y ago
    > Both dishonorably discharged, which has consequences in later life not unakin to a felony conviction, and also renders post-separation benefits null and void Those sound like penalties due to their negligence, not due to the manslaughter. If you design a building negligently, it collapses and nobody dies: You lose your job, never work in the industry again, and face civil lawsuits for damages (there goes your pension). If you design a building negligently, it collapses and people die: All of the above, plus a severe criminal conviction. If you fly a plane negligently and damage public infrastructure, I sincerely hope you would be dishonorably discharged. So, one could argue they faced little consequence for the deaths they caused, despite having a higher level of responsibility. (Whether the actual consequences of an action vs the possible consequences of an action should decide the punishment is a whoooole other topic)
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Both dishonorably discharged, which has consequences in later life not unakin to a felony conviction A DD has consequences more akin to a previous for-cause termination than a felony conviction. It does remove the advantages being a veteran gives you over everyone else, at the same time, which together might be similar in magnitude to a felony conviction, though.

pinkfoot 6y ago

And the muppets in the ski area?

throwanem 6y ago
Both dishonorably discharged, which has consequences in later life not unakin to a felony conviction, and also renders post-separation benefits null and void. One also served a few months prison time. If you want to argue it's not enough, fine. But to claim they faced no consequences whatsoever is substantively false to fact.
- pinkfoot 6y ago
  I never claimed they faced no consequences, but the OP's claim that the US military are held to much higher standards of accountability that the civil service is not justified. And I showed why.
- Dayshine 6y ago
  > Both dishonorably discharged, which has consequences in later life not unakin to a felony conviction, and also renders post-separation benefits null and void Those sound like penalties due to their negligence, not due to the manslaughter. If you design a building negligently, it collapses and nobody dies: You lose your job, never work in the industry again, and face civil lawsuits for damages (there goes your pension). If you design a building negligently, it collapses and people die: All of the above, plus a severe criminal conviction. If you fly a plane negligently and damage public infrastructure, I sincerely hope you would be dishonorably discharged. So, one could argue they faced little consequence for the deaths they caused, despite having a higher level of responsibility. (Whether the actual consequences of an action vs the possible consequences of an action should decide the punishment is a whoooole other topic)
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Both dishonorably discharged, which has consequences in later life not unakin to a felony conviction A DD has consequences more akin to a previous for-cause termination than a felony conviction. It does remove the advantages being a veteran gives you over everyone else, at the same time, which together might be similar in magnitude to a felony conviction, though.