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I and almost everyone I know studied in the US and most of my friends stay there now. In the end, being allowed in a country to study and then potentially to co

I and almost everyone I know studied in the US and most of my friends stay there now. In the end, being allowed in a country to study and then potentially to continue living there is a privilige. For the most part all of us were already from the priviliged parts of our country (almost no one I knew from India who went to the US was from anything less than middle class in India). This is all the more important when you consider the draconian rules India puts even on folks who used to be it's citizens, leave alone other nationals. Until the Trump administration, the US still had one of the most liberal immigration policies of any country. We don't need a girlfriend visa on top of that. The only beef I have is the constant moving of goal posts - just make the rules up and stick to them, whatever they are.

dheera 6y ago
> one of the most liberal immigration policies of any country Uh, no. In a lot of countries, obtaining a work visa to live there and work there is as simple as a local company handing you an offer letter for a highly-skilled job. It's the US that loves to intrude on employer-employee relationships. That kind of BS doesn't happen in e.g. China. If a company wants your talent, they'll find a way to get you a visa. For STEM jobs it's not even a question. Singapore might even hand you a landed permanent residence (LPR) card if you have a PhD out of a well-known academic institution. You need to meet certain criteria within your first year there but goddamn the immigration policy is much more sensible for the future of the country.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  In China, you only qualify for one year (and I think now 3 year for special cases) working visas and you have a really hard chance of obtaining permanent residency. Almost all foreigners are temporary residents. So while you can come and work...you aren’t supposed to immigrate. Plus you are subject to political whimsy if your country of origin does something the CPC doesn’t like (even if you are Canadian).
  - dheera 6y ago
    Sure, but renewing your work visa is easy enough as long as you are of value to the industry you work in. It's not nearly as bad as the H1B system. If e.g. Alibaba really wants you on their deep learning research team the government isn't going to say no.
    - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
      H1B only needs to be obtained once and almost always terminates in a greencard. A Chinese Z visa...you need to go through the motion every year, and if your employer decides they no longer want you, you have 30 days to leave the country or find a new job that will miraculously be able to renew your visa quickly. The government isn’t going to say no, but alibaba doesn’t play nice like an American company with a Chinese branch office (MS China, for example).
      - llampx 6y ago
        > H1B only needs to be obtained once and almost always terminates in a greencard. Citation needed. I bet most H1b visas terminate in the applicants leaving the country. Like mine. Many H1b applicants are from countries where it's harder to impossible to get green cards in a reasonable amount of time. If you make the mistake of coming from a big country like India or China, you can we but forget about it. It's easier if you come from, say, New Zealand or Switzerland. The US immigration system needed work before. It is a total catastrophe now, if you are someone interested in working in the US.
dheera 6y ago
Let me also add that (a) I'm a US citizen (b) I'm dating someone who's not, and we're in a stable relationship but not ready for marriage yet (c) if my partner cannot stay in the US, I'll consider moving to her country because it's dead easy for me to get a visa and work there, and I'll be happy living either here or there long term. If they want to keep this US citizen's talent in the US, they need to make sure their immigration policy is up to par.

dheera 6y ago

> one of the most liberal immigration policies of any country Uh, no. In a lot of countries, obtaining a work visa to live there and work there is as simple as a local company handing you an offer letter for a highly-skilled job. It's the US that loves to intrude on employer-employee relationships. That kind of BS doesn't happen in e.g. China. If a company wants your talent, they'll find a way to get you a visa. For STEM jobs it's not even a question. Singapore might even hand you a landed permanent residence (LPR) card if you have a PhD out of a well-known academic institution. You need to meet certain criteria within your first year there but goddamn the immigration policy is much more sensible for the future of the country.

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
In China, you only qualify for one year (and I think now 3 year for special cases) working visas and you have a really hard chance of obtaining permanent residency. Almost all foreigners are temporary residents. So while you can come and work...you aren’t supposed to immigrate. Plus you are subject to political whimsy if your country of origin does something the CPC doesn’t like (even if you are Canadian).
- dheera 6y ago
  Sure, but renewing your work visa is easy enough as long as you are of value to the industry you work in. It's not nearly as bad as the H1B system. If e.g. Alibaba really wants you on their deep learning research team the government isn't going to say no.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    H1B only needs to be obtained once and almost always terminates in a greencard. A Chinese Z visa...you need to go through the motion every year, and if your employer decides they no longer want you, you have 30 days to leave the country or find a new job that will miraculously be able to renew your visa quickly. The government isn’t going to say no, but alibaba doesn’t play nice like an American company with a Chinese branch office (MS China, for example).
    - llampx 6y ago
      > H1B only needs to be obtained once and almost always terminates in a greencard. Citation needed. I bet most H1b visas terminate in the applicants leaving the country. Like mine. Many H1b applicants are from countries where it's harder to impossible to get green cards in a reasonable amount of time. If you make the mistake of coming from a big country like India or China, you can we but forget about it. It's easier if you come from, say, New Zealand or Switzerland. The US immigration system needed work before. It is a total catastrophe now, if you are someone interested in working in the US.

dheera 6y ago

Let me also add that (a) I'm a US citizen (b) I'm dating someone who's not, and we're in a stable relationship but not ready for marriage yet (c) if my partner cannot stay in the US, I'll consider moving to her country because it's dead easy for me to get a visa and work there, and I'll be happy living either here or there long term. If they want to keep this US citizen's talent in the US, they need to make sure their immigration policy is up to par.