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Can you explain why? I can understand why people want things for free, but thinking that you shouldn't contribute towards the production cost of the programme y

Can you explain why? I can understand why people want things for free, but thinking that you shouldn't contribute towards the production cost of the programme you enjoy seems strange to me.

toxik 6y ago
GoT season 8 is something that happened to me, not something I enjoyed. Like a bully ruining your sand castle after a long day at the beach.
- joe463369 6y ago
  How does that work? Do you watch programmes, then send off a cheque to HBO if it meets your standards?
  - toxik 6y ago
    Pay for media? How quaint.
  - CamperBob2 6y ago
    It's probably fairly common among people who want to be able to access content freely while preserving an internal sense of ethical behavior. That's basically what I did with a certain popular TV series. I'd torrent the individual episodes, then buy the DVD box sets at the end of the season to pay for it. When it became clear that the writers didn't actually have any idea what they were doing (which was a topic of no small debate at the time), I stopped buying the box sets. Whether I stopped torrenting it is neither here nor there, but let's just say that the peer comment ("The last season wasn't something I enjoyed, it was something that happened to me") really rung a bell with me. Later, the same story repeated itself with another popular show on a different network, at which point I just disengaged with TV for good.
- AlexCoventry 6y ago
  I stopped when they resuscitated Jon Snow. That was blatant pandering, and it was clearly going to be downhill from there.
  - the_af 6y ago
    I don't know if that was a joke, but Jon Snow is pretty clearly going to resuscitate in the books as well -- the exact way may not follow the TV show in detail, but it will in essence -- because he is important in GoT prophecy. I don't see this as pandering, any more than Gandalf surviving Moria is. You could argue that season 8 was rushed, that some battles made no sense, that they botched the Night's King, or that Daenerys' character development was ruined by the abruptness -- though I think this too will play out similarly in the books -- but Jon Snow's resurrection was neither pandering nor the fault of HBO.
adrusi 6y ago
You can think it's bad to pirate media and still be hard-pressed to care when someone does it.
- bickeringyokel 6y ago
  I'm almost at odds with myself on this. I think it's probably somewhat unethical to pirate stuff, but it's much more unethical to aggressively punish people that do... For the most part The effect is so intangible for the large media funded projects as well, pirating your local struggling musicians might be another story, but is that really much worse than the current streaming model what you get paid a few thousand dollars for millions on streams?
- wccrawford 6y ago
  I feel like that would be a rare soul these days. People are so prone to screaming about every little "sin", even if it's really nothing. It's like they can't distinguish between things that are bad and things that are unconscionably bad, and scream at the same volume regardless.
  - michaelt 6y ago
    > I feel like that would be a rare soul these days. Remember, there's a big selection bias on that impression. After all, the people who think it's none of their business if X at work is sleeping on the job don't post about it on social media.
waheoo 6y ago
Philosophical line in the sand. Media companies have abused laws and rights that are supposed to encourage and enrich society not diminish and stifle it. They're beyond redemption at this point. The whole industry can burn at the stake for all I care. Netflix included. (Why does it matter what country I live in again? Why do you remove access to certain shows st random?) The only media I pay for willingly is books and that is purely because amazon did such a great job of rejecting the authors guild and creating an atleast seemingly competitive market. If media companies want my money they need to stop suing their largest customers. They need to stop lobbying my government to enforce their governments rules. They need to respect fair use. They need to understand that it no longer costs anything to produce a copy and they are more than capable of finding a business model that works through the use of product placement. Hell they could run ads on their self listed torrents and I wouldnt bother reripping or looking for one without the ads. Theyre way too focused on producing profits and protectionism than where they should be focused. Creating great entertainment and enriching society.
- stevenwliao 6y ago
  > a business model that works through product placement I pay because I don't want video blogspam and advertorials. There's lots on QVC that you can watch if you want to support that style of content.
- refurb 6y ago
  This just reads like a list of excuses. You could swap “piracy” with “selling drugs” and “entertainment industry” with “big pharma” and it would read just fine.
  - dboat 6y ago
    I don't think it's a valid argument to brush raised issues aside as excuses. Media companies are aggressively litigious bullies and the way they conduct their business is at odds with the interests of the public at large. Not speaking for the others but I have no tears for cry for losses incurred by actors like that, especially not "losses" of digital media licensing opportunities.
  - 6y ago
Aeolun 6y ago
I think that people that can contribute to the cost of making the programme should do so, but I’m also happy if people that cannot still get to enjoy it.
- 6AA4FD 6y ago
  Exactly! I used to be in the latter camp as a child - allowance paid for some stuff, but not a lot, now I'm in the former group and am happy to subsidize the enjoyment of those less privileged than me. Especially because some of those people are probably going to be inspired and create some great art I'll really enjoy.
tomc1985 6y ago
It feels so weird to grow up in an age of rampant, unabashed piracy, where literally everyone around you is burning CDs or cracking games or handing out copied mixtapes, and see questions like these. It just goes to show how thoroughly streaming squashed piracy (at least before everything fractured into the current landscape), and how short our collective memories are. Data yearns to be free -- sharing it and copying it cost nothing. Shows are just video data. Forcing real-world, scarcity economics, in a realm where the only currency of the land is plentiful, seems strange to me. There are so many other ways to monetize media content, and yet we keep going back to DRM and publisher-controlled walled-gardens. It's a complete and total shame.
- Xortl 6y ago
  If someone puts great effort and cost into producing media, why would others be entitled to get the fruits of that labor for free? Game of Thrones is a luxury, not a necessity; people aren't entitled to it just because they want it and refuse to pay for it.
  - pastage 6y ago
    Streaming services are still less convenient, though they are moee accesible now, and it shows, piracy is less and less popular every year.
  - efreak 6y ago
    I don't mind paying for the latest album/ebook/videogame. What I mind is not being able to watch GoT in HD on Linux. I mind paying for the latest album then not being able to play it on my openhome DLNA devices. I mind not being able to play a random selection of more than 1000 or so songs from my library (a big enough playlist to not hear the same song multiple times daily). I mind not being able to crossfade my music, or use a media player that can adjust for the shitty speakers in my phone. I can finally share my video game library with my friend, but if I want to play even a free game while they use my library, that's not possible (the only limitation here should be playing the same game). I mind paying for an ebook, then not being able to read it in purple 34pt copperplate against a green background with line breaks where they belong (get thee hence PDF). I mind not being able to search the contents of multiple ebooks I own for the name of a character because I forgot the book title or because it's a cameo in another series. I mind not being able to create a playlist of music that contains files from my Google play music library, my Dropbox folder, and my desktop. I mind buying media from a DRM provider, then they decide to shut their service down and I can never access those files again; I may have some chance if I install their software before they shut down their servers, but I'll lose access if I ever upgrade my computer/OS (Nintendo DSi store, various other defunct ebook/music/video game providers). I mind that the e-book I downloaded through my library's OverDrive subscription cannot be read offline at all because it's not available as an epub or on Amazon, and thus it can't be downloaded to read offline, and for the same reason I also can't take notes or have multiple bookmarks. I mind that I can't give away my purchased ebooks after I'm done with them. I mind the fact that to watch movies away from home, I need to get a more expensive tablet (cellular version) and pay monthly for an extra data line that likely limits me to only watching 3-4 movies anyways. Free is nice, yes. But money isn't the only reason for piracy. Downloading is easier and frequently faster than ripping the DRM off myself.
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matz1 6y ago
I'll be honest, I want other people to contribute while I enjoy it for free.
yllorepap 6y ago
It’s like someone invented a spell that copies and shares things for free, but using this spell is illegal. Imagine if it was a spell that copied food. Morally this would be good as people would no longer be hungry. I think we also have a hunger for entertainment and being able to share in this entertainment with others. I’m not going buy something that can be copied for free. I also consider this a vote against the “machine“ that produces this media. I’m happy if the distribution and production system fails and something new is born. I think then things will be created by people who love creating things.

Can you explain why? I can understand why people want things for free, but thinking that you shouldn't contribute towards the production cost of the programme you enjoy seems strange to me.

toxik 6y ago

GoT season 8 is something that happened to me, not something I enjoyed. Like a bully ruining your sand castle after a long day at the beach.

joe463369 6y ago
How does that work? Do you watch programmes, then send off a cheque to HBO if it meets your standards?
- toxik 6y ago
  Pay for media? How quaint.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
  It's probably fairly common among people who want to be able to access content freely while preserving an internal sense of ethical behavior. That's basically what I did with a certain popular TV series. I'd torrent the individual episodes, then buy the DVD box sets at the end of the season to pay for it. When it became clear that the writers didn't actually have any idea what they were doing (which was a topic of no small debate at the time), I stopped buying the box sets. Whether I stopped torrenting it is neither here nor there, but let's just say that the peer comment ("The last season wasn't something I enjoyed, it was something that happened to me") really rung a bell with me. Later, the same story repeated itself with another popular show on a different network, at which point I just disengaged with TV for good.
AlexCoventry 6y ago
I stopped when they resuscitated Jon Snow. That was blatant pandering, and it was clearly going to be downhill from there.
- the_af 6y ago
  I don't know if that was a joke, but Jon Snow is pretty clearly going to resuscitate in the books as well -- the exact way may not follow the TV show in detail, but it will in essence -- because he is important in GoT prophecy. I don't see this as pandering, any more than Gandalf surviving Moria is. You could argue that season 8 was rushed, that some battles made no sense, that they botched the Night's King, or that Daenerys' character development was ruined by the abruptness -- though I think this too will play out similarly in the books -- but Jon Snow's resurrection was neither pandering nor the fault of HBO.

adrusi 6y ago

You can think it's bad to pirate media and still be hard-pressed to care when someone does it.

bickeringyokel 6y ago
I'm almost at odds with myself on this. I think it's probably somewhat unethical to pirate stuff, but it's much more unethical to aggressively punish people that do... For the most part The effect is so intangible for the large media funded projects as well, pirating your local struggling musicians might be another story, but is that really much worse than the current streaming model what you get paid a few thousand dollars for millions on streams?
wccrawford 6y ago
I feel like that would be a rare soul these days. People are so prone to screaming about every little "sin", even if it's really nothing. It's like they can't distinguish between things that are bad and things that are unconscionably bad, and scream at the same volume regardless.
- michaelt 6y ago
  > I feel like that would be a rare soul these days. Remember, there's a big selection bias on that impression. After all, the people who think it's none of their business if X at work is sleeping on the job don't post about it on social media.

waheoo 6y ago

Philosophical line in the sand. Media companies have abused laws and rights that are supposed to encourage and enrich society not diminish and stifle it. They're beyond redemption at this point. The whole industry can burn at the stake for all I care. Netflix included. (Why does it matter what country I live in again? Why do you remove access to certain shows st random?) The only media I pay for willingly is books and that is purely because amazon did such a great job of rejecting the authors guild and creating an atleast seemingly competitive market. If media companies want my money they need to stop suing their largest customers. They need to stop lobbying my government to enforce their governments rules. They need to respect fair use. They need to understand that it no longer costs anything to produce a copy and they are more than capable of finding a business model that works through the use of product placement. Hell they could run ads on their self listed torrents and I wouldnt bother reripping or looking for one without the ads. Theyre way too focused on producing profits and protectionism than where they should be focused. Creating great entertainment and enriching society.

stevenwliao 6y ago
> a business model that works through product placement I pay because I don't want video blogspam and advertorials. There's lots on QVC that you can watch if you want to support that style of content.
refurb 6y ago
This just reads like a list of excuses. You could swap “piracy” with “selling drugs” and “entertainment industry” with “big pharma” and it would read just fine.
- dboat 6y ago
  I don't think it's a valid argument to brush raised issues aside as excuses. Media companies are aggressively litigious bullies and the way they conduct their business is at odds with the interests of the public at large. Not speaking for the others but I have no tears for cry for losses incurred by actors like that, especially not "losses" of digital media licensing opportunities.
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Aeolun 6y ago

I think that people that can contribute to the cost of making the programme should do so, but I’m also happy if people that cannot still get to enjoy it.

6AA4FD 6y ago
Exactly! I used to be in the latter camp as a child - allowance paid for some stuff, but not a lot, now I'm in the former group and am happy to subsidize the enjoyment of those less privileged than me. Especially because some of those people are probably going to be inspired and create some great art I'll really enjoy.

tomc1985 6y ago

It feels so weird to grow up in an age of rampant, unabashed piracy, where literally everyone around you is burning CDs or cracking games or handing out copied mixtapes, and see questions like these. It just goes to show how thoroughly streaming squashed piracy (at least before everything fractured into the current landscape), and how short our collective memories are. Data yearns to be free -- sharing it and copying it cost nothing. Shows are just video data. Forcing real-world, scarcity economics, in a realm where the only currency of the land is plentiful, seems strange to me. There are so many other ways to monetize media content, and yet we keep going back to DRM and publisher-controlled walled-gardens. It's a complete and total shame.

Xortl 6y ago
If someone puts great effort and cost into producing media, why would others be entitled to get the fruits of that labor for free? Game of Thrones is a luxury, not a necessity; people aren't entitled to it just because they want it and refuse to pay for it.
- pastage 6y ago
  Streaming services are still less convenient, though they are moee accesible now, and it shows, piracy is less and less popular every year.
- efreak 6y ago
  I don't mind paying for the latest album/ebook/videogame. What I mind is not being able to watch GoT in HD on Linux. I mind paying for the latest album then not being able to play it on my openhome DLNA devices. I mind not being able to play a random selection of more than 1000 or so songs from my library (a big enough playlist to not hear the same song multiple times daily). I mind not being able to crossfade my music, or use a media player that can adjust for the shitty speakers in my phone. I can finally share my video game library with my friend, but if I want to play even a free game while they use my library, that's not possible (the only limitation here should be playing the same game). I mind paying for an ebook, then not being able to read it in purple 34pt copperplate against a green background with line breaks where they belong (get thee hence PDF). I mind not being able to search the contents of multiple ebooks I own for the name of a character because I forgot the book title or because it's a cameo in another series. I mind not being able to create a playlist of music that contains files from my Google play music library, my Dropbox folder, and my desktop. I mind buying media from a DRM provider, then they decide to shut their service down and I can never access those files again; I may have some chance if I install their software before they shut down their servers, but I'll lose access if I ever upgrade my computer/OS (Nintendo DSi store, various other defunct ebook/music/video game providers). I mind that the e-book I downloaded through my library's OverDrive subscription cannot be read offline at all because it's not available as an epub or on Amazon, and thus it can't be downloaded to read offline, and for the same reason I also can't take notes or have multiple bookmarks. I mind that I can't give away my purchased ebooks after I'm done with them. I mind the fact that to watch movies away from home, I need to get a more expensive tablet (cellular version) and pay monthly for an extra data line that likely limits me to only watching 3-4 movies anyways. Free is nice, yes. But money isn't the only reason for piracy. Downloading is easier and frequently faster than ripping the DRM off myself.

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matz1 6y ago

I'll be honest, I want other people to contribute while I enjoy it for free.

yllorepap 6y ago

It’s like someone invented a spell that copies and shares things for free, but using this spell is illegal. Imagine if it was a spell that copied food. Morally this would be good as people would no longer be hungry. I think we also have a hunger for entertainment and being able to share in this entertainment with others. I’m not going buy something that can be copied for free. I also consider this a vote against the “machine“ that produces this media. I’m happy if the distribution and production system fails and something new is born. I think then things will be created by people who love creating things.