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Yup, that's the case in Ontario. Mask wearing is also now mandatory indoors. I guess the question is why did California rush to re-open fully?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
The governor's been clear that's part of the intended strategy; counties will be allowed to rush forwards as long as infection rates remain low, and then pull back if infections rise. He's consistently warned that some rollbacks should be expected.
- QuercusMax 6y ago
  The problem with this strategy is that it's been incredibly confusing; I'm getting whiplash from all the back-and-forth. The news reporting has been bad, as well, not clearly distinguishing between statewide and per-county (or for counties on the "watch list", which changes daily). My friends who are in the service industry have to figure out from day-to-day what they're going to be doing. This is just a giant mess.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Yeah, I think that's fair. I've been plugged in enough that I don't feel the whiplash much, but I can't imagine how confusing it would be to understand what's happening from just scrolling through headlines in the morning.
    - QuercusMax 6y ago
      ...and just this evening Santa Clara county (most of the valley) announced they're shutting down gyms and salons on Wednesday, because they expect the state will shut us down anyway. Craziness. I'm glad our state is doing something, it's just so unpredictable.
  - nogabebop23 6y ago
    It's also hard to rollback quickly when you've got a 2-week lag between when you steer the ship and when it starts to turn. I can't see how anything other than a gated approach over significant time can be preferable, unless the motivation is political (spoiler: it is).
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      It is, but... should it not be? Politics is the process by which people decide what society should look like.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  I was happy when the state released clear metrics for what would allow a county to move onto Phase 2.5 and Phase 3 of the reopening. Initially one of the key metrics is that the county have 0 deaths and no more than 10 new coronavirus cases per 100k residents over a 2 week period. Then the number became 25 cases per 100k residents. Then it became 100 cases per 100k residents. Then my county was permitted to mostly reopen with 300+ new cases per 100k residents, in conjunction with a few hundred deaths per week. To me it's clear that we've strayed from the original emphasis on "science based" metrics.
  - guenthert 6y ago
    Which county might that be? Only Los Angeles has more than a few hundred death due to COVID total. In Santa Clara county still about 20 times as many people die every day due to unrelated causes than due to COVID. That makes it hard to justify the economic damage, which is devastating to those who lost their job and are waiting for unemployment benefits for months now.
    - Rebelgecko 6y ago
      Yup, LA. I think we're currently ~50 deaths and 2500 new confirmed cases per day
dragonwriter 6y ago
> I guess the question is why did California rush to re-open fully? Because states have a higher cost of borrowing than the feds and usually also have constitutional balanced operating budget mandates, they tend to rely on federal aid to deal with major extended emergencies. With the feds not providing substantial state aid in this crisis, there’s significant financial pressure for economic reopening.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

The governor's been clear that's part of the intended strategy; counties will be allowed to rush forwards as long as infection rates remain low, and then pull back if infections rise. He's consistently warned that some rollbacks should be expected.

QuercusMax 6y ago
The problem with this strategy is that it's been incredibly confusing; I'm getting whiplash from all the back-and-forth. The news reporting has been bad, as well, not clearly distinguishing between statewide and per-county (or for counties on the "watch list", which changes daily). My friends who are in the service industry have to figure out from day-to-day what they're going to be doing. This is just a giant mess.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Yeah, I think that's fair. I've been plugged in enough that I don't feel the whiplash much, but I can't imagine how confusing it would be to understand what's happening from just scrolling through headlines in the morning.
  - QuercusMax 6y ago
    ...and just this evening Santa Clara county (most of the valley) announced they're shutting down gyms and salons on Wednesday, because they expect the state will shut us down anyway. Craziness. I'm glad our state is doing something, it's just so unpredictable.
- nogabebop23 6y ago
  It's also hard to rollback quickly when you've got a 2-week lag between when you steer the ship and when it starts to turn. I can't see how anything other than a gated approach over significant time can be preferable, unless the motivation is political (spoiler: it is).
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    It is, but... should it not be? Politics is the process by which people decide what society should look like.
Rebelgecko 6y ago
I was happy when the state released clear metrics for what would allow a county to move onto Phase 2.5 and Phase 3 of the reopening. Initially one of the key metrics is that the county have 0 deaths and no more than 10 new coronavirus cases per 100k residents over a 2 week period. Then the number became 25 cases per 100k residents. Then it became 100 cases per 100k residents. Then my county was permitted to mostly reopen with 300+ new cases per 100k residents, in conjunction with a few hundred deaths per week. To me it's clear that we've strayed from the original emphasis on "science based" metrics.
- guenthert 6y ago
  Which county might that be? Only Los Angeles has more than a few hundred death due to COVID total. In Santa Clara county still about 20 times as many people die every day due to unrelated causes than due to COVID. That makes it hard to justify the economic damage, which is devastating to those who lost their job and are waiting for unemployment benefits for months now.
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    Yup, LA. I think we're currently ~50 deaths and 2500 new confirmed cases per day

dragonwriter 6y ago

> I guess the question is why did California rush to re-open fully? Because states have a higher cost of borrowing than the feds and usually also have constitutional balanced operating budget mandates, they tend to rely on federal aid to deal with major extended emergencies. With the feds not providing substantial state aid in this crisis, there’s significant financial pressure for economic reopening.