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Or we could take a look at Israel where they opened up schools and saw a significant spike[1]. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0

Or we could take a look at Israel where they opened up schools and saw a significant spike[1]. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/03/868507524/israel-orders-schools-to-close-when-covid-19-cases-are-discovered https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

GhostVII 6y ago
They opened up schools, as well as pretty much everything else. So it is not really clear whether the schools were the biggest contributor to the spread.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I don't see why it's an "or". If data from Finland and Sweden suggests school has no impact, and data from Israel suggests it could, that's all the more reason transmission studies are needed.
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BadCookie 6y ago
Or South Africa where they tried to open up schools for only two grades (7th and 12th). "Since the first phase of the schools reopening last month, 968 schools have had to close due to outbreaks and 2,400 teachers and 1,260 learners have tested positive for COVID-19." Source: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-south-africa-phase-reopening-schools.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-south-africa-phase-re... Or the Georgia summer camp that had an outbreak involving 85 campers and staff: https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/85-campers-staff-test-positive-covid-19-ymca-summer-camp/OPSPVDSXRFCLZOD7SEMLCYN2OA/ https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/85-campers-staff-test-pos... Or the Missouri summer camp that had an outbreak involving 82 kids and staff: https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-summer-camp-closes-after-82-kids-staffers-infected-with-coronavirus-reports https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-summer-camp-closes-after... A lot of this is anecdotal, sure, but I find it hard to believe that kids don't spread the virus if we're seeing large outbreaks like these already.
- creato 6y ago
  > 2,400 teachers and 1,260 learners have tested positive for COVID-19. It's pretty interesting that almost twice as many teachers as students tested positive. Presumably there are ~20x more students than teachers? It may very well be the case that children are far less likely to either catch or spread the virus, but far less likely is not the same as not spreading it at all.
- BadCookie 6y ago
  If you want an example involving younger kids, there was recently an outbreak involving 12 staff and 8 kids at an Oregon daycare that serves kids ages 6 and under [1]. It might be impossible to know whether the adults infected the kids or vice versa (or both), but Coronavirus cases are growing fastest among kids younger than 10 in Oregon right now [2], so ... to me, it makes sense to assume that kids can spread it until it's proven otherwise. Lastly, for those who don't know, the CDC internally lists reopening schools as the "highest risk" for Coronavirus spread. [3] [1] https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2020/06/30/oregon-child-care-facility-reports-covid-19-outbreak-among-first-in-nation/ https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2020/06/30/oregon-child-car... [2] https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/coronavirus-infections-rising-fastest-among-kids-younger-than-10-dimming-prospects-for-oregons-school-reopening-plans.html https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/coronavirus-i... [3] https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-h...

GhostVII 6y ago

They opened up schools, as well as pretty much everything else. So it is not really clear whether the schools were the biggest contributor to the spread.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I don't see why it's an "or". If data from Finland and Sweden suggests school has no impact, and data from Israel suggests it could, that's all the more reason transmission studies are needed.

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BadCookie 6y ago

Or South Africa where they tried to open up schools for only two grades (7th and 12th). "Since the first phase of the schools reopening last month, 968 schools have had to close due to outbreaks and 2,400 teachers and 1,260 learners have tested positive for COVID-19." Source: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-south-africa-phase-reopening-schools.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-south-africa-phase-re... Or the Georgia summer camp that had an outbreak involving 85 campers and staff: https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/85-campers-staff-test-positive-covid-19-ymca-summer-camp/OPSPVDSXRFCLZOD7SEMLCYN2OA/ https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/85-campers-staff-test-pos... Or the Missouri summer camp that had an outbreak involving 82 kids and staff: https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-summer-camp-closes-after-82-kids-staffers-infected-with-coronavirus-reports https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-summer-camp-closes-after... A lot of this is anecdotal, sure, but I find it hard to believe that kids don't spread the virus if we're seeing large outbreaks like these already.

creato 6y ago
> 2,400 teachers and 1,260 learners have tested positive for COVID-19. It's pretty interesting that almost twice as many teachers as students tested positive. Presumably there are ~20x more students than teachers? It may very well be the case that children are far less likely to either catch or spread the virus, but far less likely is not the same as not spreading it at all.
BadCookie 6y ago
If you want an example involving younger kids, there was recently an outbreak involving 12 staff and 8 kids at an Oregon daycare that serves kids ages 6 and under [1]. It might be impossible to know whether the adults infected the kids or vice versa (or both), but Coronavirus cases are growing fastest among kids younger than 10 in Oregon right now [2], so ... to me, it makes sense to assume that kids can spread it until it's proven otherwise. Lastly, for those who don't know, the CDC internally lists reopening schools as the "highest risk" for Coronavirus spread. [3] [1] https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2020/06/30/oregon-child-care-facility-reports-covid-19-outbreak-among-first-in-nation/ https://www.wweek.com/news/state/2020/06/30/oregon-child-car... [2] https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/coronavirus-infections-rising-fastest-among-kids-younger-than-10-dimming-prospects-for-oregons-school-reopening-plans.html https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/coronavirus-i... [3] https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-h...