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> This, unfortunately, is the story for every public infrastructure in Italy. I argue it's not the case. Over-bureaucracy (ironically, to fight "corruption", l

> This, unfortunately, is the story for every public infrastructure in Italy. I argue it's not the case. Over-bureaucracy (ironically, to fight "corruption", like the useless "anti-corruption authority") is one of the major reasons things get done at glacial paces (and the same reason sometimes people use "other ways" to speed up things). The replacement of Ponte Morandi in Genova is a prime example of this fact: to rebuild it lots of "rules" had to be suspended.

camillomiller 6y ago
ciao Gigi ;)
throwaways8n27d 6y ago
> Over-bureaucracy (ironically, to fight "corruption", like the useless "anti-corruption authority") is one of the major reasons things get done at glacial paces (and the same reason sometimes people use "other ways" to speed up things). Data in 2018's report "Tempi di realizzazione delle opere pubbliche" [0] seems to contradict this. The 7th post in this [1] twitter thread summarizes it. [0] https://www.agenziacoesione.gov.it/news_istituzionali/tempi-di-realizzazione-delle-opere-pubbliche-online-il-rapporto-2018/ https://www.agenziacoesione.gov.it/news_istituzionali/tempi-... [1] https://twitter.com/CarloStagnaro/status/1280401691997876227 https://twitter.com/CarloStagnaro/status/1280401691997876227 Edit: added post number.
- lbeltrame 6y ago
  The Twitter thread seems to contradict this claim. > Seconda domanda: da cosa dipendono allora le lungaggini, se non dall’affidamento? La risposta è esattamente quella che state pensando: dalla burocrazia. "Second question: what is the cause of slowness, if not when a work is actually given [to whoever got the contract]? The answer is exactly what you're thinking about: bureaucracy." The next few tweets bring data which supports this.
baybal2 6y ago
What do you think about Italians voting Silvio for so long?
- bonzini 6y ago
  That if you have two parties both of them are going to get a lot of votes.
  - amelius 6y ago
    You make it sound like a mathematical truth.
    - bonzini 6y ago
      A sad one.

camillomiller 6y ago

ciao Gigi ;)

throwaways8n27d 6y ago

> Over-bureaucracy (ironically, to fight "corruption", like the useless "anti-corruption authority") is one of the major reasons things get done at glacial paces (and the same reason sometimes people use "other ways" to speed up things). Data in 2018's report "Tempi di realizzazione delle opere pubbliche" [0] seems to contradict this. The 7th post in this [1] twitter thread summarizes it. [0] https://www.agenziacoesione.gov.it/news_istituzionali/tempi-di-realizzazione-delle-opere-pubbliche-online-il-rapporto-2018/ https://www.agenziacoesione.gov.it/news_istituzionali/tempi-... [1] https://twitter.com/CarloStagnaro/status/1280401691997876227 https://twitter.com/CarloStagnaro/status/1280401691997876227 Edit: added post number.

lbeltrame 6y ago
The Twitter thread seems to contradict this claim. > Seconda domanda: da cosa dipendono allora le lungaggini, se non dall’affidamento? La risposta è esattamente quella che state pensando: dalla burocrazia. "Second question: what is the cause of slowness, if not when a work is actually given [to whoever got the contract]? The answer is exactly what you're thinking about: bureaucracy." The next few tweets bring data which supports this.

baybal2 6y ago

What do you think about Italians voting Silvio for so long?

bonzini 6y ago
That if you have two parties both of them are going to get a lot of votes.
- amelius 6y ago
  You make it sound like a mathematical truth.
  - bonzini 6y ago
    A sad one.