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There are many reports of poor quality from current Model Y deliveries. Interesting that they would try to ramp up sales and subsequently production before addr

There are many reports of poor quality from current Model Y deliveries. Interesting that they would try to ramp up sales and subsequently production before addressing these issues prior to leaving the factory. It's significantly more costly to fix quality problems in the field, all that factory automation can't be used at the service centers. Then also even having to contend with returned vehicles by unsatisfied customers.

natch 6y ago
Actually speaking with actual owners I hear that Model Y build quality is great. With Tesla more so than with other companies, you have to take negative things you hear online with a large grain of salt, because there is an extraordinarily active group of short sellers of the stock who are highly motivated to spread negative rumors online in desperate attempts to lower the stock price. Model Y build quality issues are one such rumor. Model 3 did have some issues early in the production cycle but they have learned a lot and tightened it up, and Model Y benefits from those learnings, though the rumor is still easy to spread due to its resonance with the earlier, but also exaggerated, Model 3 issues.
- samfisher83 6y ago
  I think a lot short sellers have been wiped out at this point.
  - natch 6y ago
    If not one day ago, then today...
- new_realist 6y ago
  https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/21302804/tesla-ranks-last-on-influential-jd-power-quality-survey https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/21302804/tesla-ranks-last...
- new_realist 6y ago
  There is just as much short interest in Apple as Tesla; where is the fake news regarding their product quality? You being played like a violin.
  - aeternum 6y ago
    Might want to re-check your stats. TSLA has 9.47% of float shorted vs. AAPL's 0.78%. Even if you go by total shares rather than float, TSLA has over 2x the short interest. http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=tsla http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=tsla http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=aapl http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=aapl
- blinkingled 6y ago
  Umm I live in an neighborhood where few apartment complexes have car charging stations and one of my pastimes is observing build quality of Teslas (and sometimes Leaf or some other ones) - I have not yet found a Model 3 without uneven panel gaps - some are acceptable if you don't compare them to another mainstream car but still it's not what one would expect from a $35K car.
  - GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
    Same, coworker had to take his brand new model X back to Tesla, three times to get the panel gaps fixed. They just took a rubber mallet to his car
    - natch 6y ago
      Different priorities. I have a coworker who thinks that they need to charge their Model X to full on each leg of a long journey! Very wrong. Quite odd what people think and do including coworkers. I know another guy who could not abide having concrete in his patio, and had to have it replaced with tiles! Point is there are always people who get obsessed with strange things. Including panel gaps. Like your coworker. Someone showed me an imperfection on my Model 3 panel gaps once and I hadn’t even noticed it. And now I couldn’t even tell you where on the car it was. It was so minor as to be unnoticeable unless you are actively looking for it. Meanwhile the factory is only getting better.
      - GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
        Panel gaps are a result of poor quality control and poor precision manufacturing. Something I would expect in a car that costs 3-4 times less than a Tesla. He's a car guy, but we've never owned vehicles with panel gaps, and I've driven all sorts of tin cans.
        natch 6y ago
        Like I said these were problems early on in the production cycle of Model 3. But I will take a Model 3 with panel gaps over a Skoda or a Corolla without them 10 times out of 10. BTW the long term costs are equivalent because of gas and maintenance savings and the lifetime of a Model 3 being 3x longer, and it also keeps your family alive unlike the Skoda or other cars which are not as safe.
- xvf22 6y ago
  Coworker refused delivery of his twice for seat attachment problems and pretty obvious dings.
brianwawok 6y ago
Picked up my Y two weeks ago. Build quality overall was great. One cosmetic nit that I had fixed under warranty. This is a Life changing car. Put 1100 miles on it already and no plan to stop. I cannot see anyone in my house buying a non-Tesla car ever again. It was like going from a Blackbery to an iPhone times 100.
- kasey_junk 6y ago
  I did a Chicago <—> central mi camping trip this weekend. How do you a) handle charging in that case (given 120 RV hookups) and b) haulage?
  - brianwawok 6y ago
    Hi Kasey! So the included mobile adaptor needs a little dongle to hook up to an RV charger. You can’t use a standard dogbone, as Tesla charges hot to hot. In a standard dogbone that would be 0V. Easy to make your own, or the paid version is https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30-adapter-for-tesla-model-s-x-3-gen-2/ https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30-adapter-for-tesl... For hauling a small trailer, the Y can have a hitch added for $1000. 3500 pounds towing capacity gives you a few choices. For a huge huge trailer you would need to wait for a Cybertruck.

natch 6y ago

Actually speaking with actual owners I hear that Model Y build quality is great. With Tesla more so than with other companies, you have to take negative things you hear online with a large grain of salt, because there is an extraordinarily active group of short sellers of the stock who are highly motivated to spread negative rumors online in desperate attempts to lower the stock price. Model Y build quality issues are one such rumor. Model 3 did have some issues early in the production cycle but they have learned a lot and tightened it up, and Model Y benefits from those learnings, though the rumor is still easy to spread due to its resonance with the earlier, but also exaggerated, Model 3 issues.

samfisher83 6y ago
I think a lot short sellers have been wiped out at this point.
- natch 6y ago
  If not one day ago, then today...
new_realist 6y ago
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/21302804/tesla-ranks-last-on-influential-jd-power-quality-survey https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/21302804/tesla-ranks-last...
new_realist 6y ago
There is just as much short interest in Apple as Tesla; where is the fake news regarding their product quality? You being played like a violin.
- aeternum 6y ago
  Might want to re-check your stats. TSLA has 9.47% of float shorted vs. AAPL's 0.78%. Even if you go by total shares rather than float, TSLA has over 2x the short interest. http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=tsla http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=tsla http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=aapl http://shortsqueeze.com/?symbol=aapl
blinkingled 6y ago
Umm I live in an neighborhood where few apartment complexes have car charging stations and one of my pastimes is observing build quality of Teslas (and sometimes Leaf or some other ones) - I have not yet found a Model 3 without uneven panel gaps - some are acceptable if you don't compare them to another mainstream car but still it's not what one would expect from a $35K car.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
  Same, coworker had to take his brand new model X back to Tesla, three times to get the panel gaps fixed. They just took a rubber mallet to his car
  - natch 6y ago
    Different priorities. I have a coworker who thinks that they need to charge their Model X to full on each leg of a long journey! Very wrong. Quite odd what people think and do including coworkers. I know another guy who could not abide having concrete in his patio, and had to have it replaced with tiles! Point is there are always people who get obsessed with strange things. Including panel gaps. Like your coworker. Someone showed me an imperfection on my Model 3 panel gaps once and I hadn’t even noticed it. And now I couldn’t even tell you where on the car it was. It was so minor as to be unnoticeable unless you are actively looking for it. Meanwhile the factory is only getting better.
    - GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
      Panel gaps are a result of poor quality control and poor precision manufacturing. Something I would expect in a car that costs 3-4 times less than a Tesla. He's a car guy, but we've never owned vehicles with panel gaps, and I've driven all sorts of tin cans.
      - natch 6y ago
        Like I said these were problems early on in the production cycle of Model 3. But I will take a Model 3 with panel gaps over a Skoda or a Corolla without them 10 times out of 10. BTW the long term costs are equivalent because of gas and maintenance savings and the lifetime of a Model 3 being 3x longer, and it also keeps your family alive unlike the Skoda or other cars which are not as safe.
xvf22 6y ago
Coworker refused delivery of his twice for seat attachment problems and pretty obvious dings.

brianwawok 6y ago

Picked up my Y two weeks ago. Build quality overall was great. One cosmetic nit that I had fixed under warranty. This is a Life changing car. Put 1100 miles on it already and no plan to stop. I cannot see anyone in my house buying a non-Tesla car ever again. It was like going from a Blackbery to an iPhone times 100.

kasey_junk 6y ago
I did a Chicago <—> central mi camping trip this weekend. How do you a) handle charging in that case (given 120 RV hookups) and b) haulage?
- brianwawok 6y ago
  Hi Kasey! So the included mobile adaptor needs a little dongle to hook up to an RV charger. You can’t use a standard dogbone, as Tesla charges hot to hot. In a standard dogbone that would be 0V. Easy to make your own, or the paid version is https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30-adapter-for-tesla-model-s-x-3-gen-2/ https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30-adapter-for-tesl... For hauling a small trailer, the Y can have a hitch added for $1000. 3500 pounds towing capacity gives you a few choices. For a huge huge trailer you would need to wait for a Cybertruck.