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* Jira - over-engineered, unnecessarily complex and utterly slow. * Zoom - worst video conference product EVER. Can't say a single good word about it. * A

* Jira - over-engineered, unnecessarily complex and utterly slow. * Zoom - worst video conference product __EVER__. Can't say a single good word about it. * AWS admin console - same as jira, at least it's not slow. * VPNs in general annoy me beyond reason too. At this point I use a raspberry pi to connect to the vpn and I use it as an SSH access server (and tunnel respectively).

Retardo_88 6y ago
What do you not like about Zoom, and which video conference product would you recommend instead?
- xenospn 6y ago
  If I had it my way, I’d just use calendar invites and FaceTime. The quality is 10x everything else.
- arrayjumper 6y ago
  My experience with zoom has been on linux. I hate the fact that it requires you to install the client for it to work. The client randomly spikes in cpu usage while running in the background. Multiple times I've also had this issue where I'll try to right click the zoom icon in the system tray and quit zoom, causing it to hang and reach 100% cpu usage on one core. I also don't like that on clicking on a zoom video call link sometimes the browser to client redirect works but sometimes it doesn't and you need to then go back and click the link again. For me, Google meet works much better.
  - imposterr 6y ago
    I haven't personally tried this on Linux, but on macOS at least, the feature to take calls in the browser is hidden behind a bunch of dark patterns. Take a look at step 2 here: https://it.umn.edu/services-technologies/how-tos/zoom-join-through-web-browser https://it.umn.edu/services-technologies/how-tos/zoom-join-t...
  - tyldum 6y ago
    Zoom can be browser only, it just uses dark patterns to lure you to install the client. The link to join by web appears when all others fail...
    - literallycancer 6y ago
      But why would you use it when it has like 1 second latency. Google Meet is kind of meh but works. Or pure audio calls like Telegram or something like Mumble (which has rooms, you can host a server yourself, is open source and doesn't suck). I can see why salespeople prefer video calls but for technical topics it just doesn't make sense.
  - errnoh 6y ago
    I was planning on mentioning Zoom as well. The Linux client especially is insanely bad, iirc it also drew itself on top of everything. My suggestion on Linux at least is to use the web client. Just get the url, do a 's#/j/#/wc/join/#' to it and open it in browser of your choice. You'll need to copy the password manually, sometimes it might require captcha etc, but at least it's somewhat usable.
    - mr_toad 6y ago
      This works on MacOS as well (in Firefox or Chrome). No way in hell I’m installing Zoom on a Mac.
  - leephillips 6y ago
    Same here (ububtu, dwm). I can use every other web-based video conference platform with no problem (jit.si, google meet, and others) but zoom eats all memory and crashes the browser. The app refuses to run, complaining that I don’t have ibus installed (I removed ibus, because it’s one of a hundred unnecessary layers of crap added by distro maintainers).
- axegon_ 6y ago
  Some of the major problems: 10% of my CPU and ~1GB memory by simply launching the application on linux. Absolutely ridiculous. Can't remove passwords from my personal meetings, controls are sluggish as hell, like I'll click to either turn on or off my camera and have to wait for 3-4 seconds for it to actually do anything. Multiple smaller problems piled on the side as well. People love to shit on Skype but even the web version of Skype behaves better than zoom for me. Google meet, Skype, meet.jit.si - I take any of those over zoom.
odiroot 6y ago
> Zoom - worst video conference product __EVER__. Can't say a single good word about it. I was forced to use Skype in the early 2000s. Believe, it was much worse.
dmd 6y ago
I use Zoom because it's _better_ than literally any other video conference product I've ever used, and I've tried a LOT of them.
- fish45 6y ago
  Have you tried meet.jit.si? The quality is pretty bad but it's way easier to use than zoom which kind of has a reputation for it. I got my dad set up with jitsi in hardly a minute whereas zoom took around 10 minutes
  - dmd 6y ago
    Yes. As you point out, the quality is abysmal.
    - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
      We use it for 6-10 people one night each week, quality is good for those of us with good webcams and wifi bandwidth. I've found it as good as Teams.
- odensc 6y ago
  Discord is somehow the best video conferencing tool I've ever used.
rad_gruchalski 6y ago
The magic of aws is is to use the command line tools and sdks.
cure 6y ago
> * Zoom - worst video conference product __EVER__. Can't say a single good word about it. There are tons of problems with Zoom, no disagreement there. But the heaping pile of crap called Skype for business formerly known as Microsoft Lync is a lot worse. It doesn't even run on Linux...
thrwaway69 6y ago
Use mullvad + wireguard.
bananaface 6y ago
Pi as an abstraction layer over your VPN, that's genius. I'm gonna use that.

* Jira - over-engineered, unnecessarily complex and utterly slow. * Zoom - worst video conference product __EVER__. Can't say a single good word about it. * A

Retardo_88 6y ago

What do you not like about Zoom, and which video conference product would you recommend instead?

xenospn 6y ago
If I had it my way, I’d just use calendar invites and FaceTime. The quality is 10x everything else.
arrayjumper 6y ago
My experience with zoom has been on linux. I hate the fact that it requires you to install the client for it to work. The client randomly spikes in cpu usage while running in the background. Multiple times I've also had this issue where I'll try to right click the zoom icon in the system tray and quit zoom, causing it to hang and reach 100% cpu usage on one core. I also don't like that on clicking on a zoom video call link sometimes the browser to client redirect works but sometimes it doesn't and you need to then go back and click the link again. For me, Google meet works much better.
- imposterr 6y ago
  I haven't personally tried this on Linux, but on macOS at least, the feature to take calls in the browser is hidden behind a bunch of dark patterns. Take a look at step 2 here: https://it.umn.edu/services-technologies/how-tos/zoom-join-through-web-browser https://it.umn.edu/services-technologies/how-tos/zoom-join-t...
- tyldum 6y ago
  Zoom can be browser only, it just uses dark patterns to lure you to install the client. The link to join by web appears when all others fail...
  - literallycancer 6y ago
    But why would you use it when it has like 1 second latency. Google Meet is kind of meh but works. Or pure audio calls like Telegram or something like Mumble (which has rooms, you can host a server yourself, is open source and doesn't suck). I can see why salespeople prefer video calls but for technical topics it just doesn't make sense.
- errnoh 6y ago
  I was planning on mentioning Zoom as well. The Linux client especially is insanely bad, iirc it also drew itself on top of everything. My suggestion on Linux at least is to use the web client. Just get the url, do a 's#/j/#/wc/join/#' to it and open it in browser of your choice. You'll need to copy the password manually, sometimes it might require captcha etc, but at least it's somewhat usable.
  - mr_toad 6y ago
    This works on MacOS as well (in Firefox or Chrome). No way in hell I’m installing Zoom on a Mac.
- leephillips 6y ago
  Same here (ububtu, dwm). I can use every other web-based video conference platform with no problem (jit.si, google meet, and others) but zoom eats all memory and crashes the browser. The app refuses to run, complaining that I don’t have ibus installed (I removed ibus, because it’s one of a hundred unnecessary layers of crap added by distro maintainers).
axegon_ 6y ago
Some of the major problems: 10% of my CPU and ~1GB memory by simply launching the application on linux. Absolutely ridiculous. Can't remove passwords from my personal meetings, controls are sluggish as hell, like I'll click to either turn on or off my camera and have to wait for 3-4 seconds for it to actually do anything. Multiple smaller problems piled on the side as well. People love to shit on Skype but even the web version of Skype behaves better than zoom for me. Google meet, Skype, meet.jit.si - I take any of those over zoom.

odiroot 6y ago

> Zoom - worst video conference product __EVER__. Can't say a single good word about it. I was forced to use Skype in the early 2000s. Believe, it was much worse.

dmd 6y ago

I use Zoom because it's _better_ than literally any other video conference product I've ever used, and I've tried a LOT of them.

fish45 6y ago
Have you tried meet.jit.si? The quality is pretty bad but it's way easier to use than zoom which kind of has a reputation for it. I got my dad set up with jitsi in hardly a minute whereas zoom took around 10 minutes
- dmd 6y ago
  Yes. As you point out, the quality is abysmal.
  - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
    We use it for 6-10 people one night each week, quality is good for those of us with good webcams and wifi bandwidth. I've found it as good as Teams.
odensc 6y ago
Discord is somehow the best video conferencing tool I've ever used.

rad_gruchalski 6y ago

The magic of aws is is to use the command line tools and sdks.

cure 6y ago

> * Zoom - worst video conference product __EVER__. Can't say a single good word about it. There are tons of problems with Zoom, no disagreement there. But the heaping pile of crap called Skype for business formerly known as Microsoft Lync is a lot worse. It doesn't even run on Linux...

thrwaway69 6y ago

Use mullvad + wireguard.

bananaface 6y ago

Pi as an abstraction layer over your VPN, that's genius. I'm gonna use that.