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We sorely need this for cycling. Komoot is the closest thing but it doesn’t do mileage requests like your app here. This is awesome! EDIT: In addition to opti

We sorely need this for cycling. Komoot is the closest thing but it doesn’t do mileage requests like your app here. This is awesome! EDIT: In addition to optimizing for green routes, optimizing for low speed car zones would be a killer feature.

samcrawford 6y ago
Thanks! Cycling is on the to-do list. But I'm conscious it probably wouldn't just be a single category - there would need to be separation for road cycling and mountain biking. The routing algorithm does already prefer roads with low speed limits, but there is definitely more that could be done in this space (e.g. a slider to set a preference to avoid higher speed roads). It also depends on the availability of speed limit data (I use the OpenStreetMap database).
- nickswan 6y ago
  You could almost do with a ‘how safe you felt’ rating for each road. Would obviously take a while to build up the data.
- 076ae80a-3c97-4 6y ago
  The state of apps/web apps for planning road cycling routes is abysmal. If you can implement this you'll immediately be the best.
  - cullenking 6y ago
    I am curious why you think this. I run https://ridewithgps.com https://ridewithgps.com and always love constructive feedback to improve. There’s always improvements to make, but I wouldn’t quite go as far as calling things abysmal!
  - goguy 6y ago
    The new Strava feature is pretty good IMO
  - malyk 6y ago
    footpath is pretty great for planning and adding features regularly
  - c0nsumer 6y ago
    One of the main reasons for this is a lack of data. The Strava Heatmap (crowdsourced data, based on past frequency of use) is pretty much the best. OSM tagging is insufficient for real good routing, and it doesn't take traffic patterns into account. Thus, a lot of route creation is dependent on hyperlocal knowledge. Strava Route Builder, with the heatmap, goes fairly far on this, but it too isn't the best. This is a really hard problem to solve.
- pistoriusp 6y ago
  I frequently do 50km - 60km cycling routes from my home and I've manually figured out the greenest and least busiest routes. I tested it with your app and the route is near identical to what I've figured (over the course of several thousand km's of trial an error). I'm amazed! Edit: I'm usually on a mountain bike.
donjoe 6y ago
cycle.travel does have a feature for mileage requests. It is not very much optimized for dirt routes though...
- Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
  Thanks for the recommendation - cycle.travel’s my site! I’d like to do a dirt/gravel profile. Main reason I haven’t so far is that it’s very hardware-intensive (as in tipping over into renting another Hetzner box).
  - donjoe 6y ago
    Man thanks so much for your work! Been using it for some time now especially for planning long distance routes. That's where cycle.travel really shines (plus I really love the 3D altitude visualization ;-)). I usually tend to export routes and navigate with komoot. Komoot for long distance planning is terribly slow as soon as you hit ~200km+.
    - karussell 6y ago
      I just wanted to reply this cannot be as Komoot is also using CH (fast routing algorithm using GraphHopper) but yes, they are relative slow for fast routes. The reason seems that they create a very big response (5MB) in these cases and then it takes more seconds to visualize this. For current & original GraphHopper the response is highly optimized and so it is much smaller (20x) even with comparable road data (like elevation, surface, bridges/tunnels and road class) btw: in general Komoot is a nicely polished app. I can only recommend it :)
      - donjoe 6y ago
        I absolutely agree. Routing using a phone is loads of fun. I do have the paid version and I highly appreciate their open source-ish character. Besides large response data and a slaggish planning interface @ komoot: try routing from northern Italy to Sicily: Komoot doesn't seem to know the ferry departing in Villa s. Giovanni to Messina. Komoot will always - no matter how may vias you place - route you back north and send you on a ferry in Salerno. Yes, I know, I could split my route and such. Yet, I love the idea of my planning tool to show me the complete route - including official transportation ;-)
rorykoehler 6y ago
Komoot does mileage requests. I use it nearly every ride.
stugrey 6y ago
Maybe check out Huli who are working on exactly this amongst other things https://huli.life/ https://huli.life/
- notatoad 6y ago
  this actually looks pretty cool, but if i'm being honest i just want to use it because they had the guts to call their company hooli.
- efrecon 6y ago
  huli looks promising, but they just have cycling right now. It's a no go for long(ish) runners.
mvkel 6y ago
This already exists! It’s an app called EasyRoute

samcrawford 6y ago

Thanks! Cycling is on the to-do list. But I'm conscious it probably wouldn't just be a single category - there would need to be separation for road cycling and mountain biking. The routing algorithm does already prefer roads with low speed limits, but there is definitely more that could be done in this space (e.g. a slider to set a preference to avoid higher speed roads). It also depends on the availability of speed limit data (I use the OpenStreetMap database).

nickswan 6y ago
You could almost do with a ‘how safe you felt’ rating for each road. Would obviously take a while to build up the data.
076ae80a-3c97-4 6y ago
The state of apps/web apps for planning road cycling routes is abysmal. If you can implement this you'll immediately be the best.
- cullenking 6y ago
  I am curious why you think this. I run https://ridewithgps.com https://ridewithgps.com and always love constructive feedback to improve. There’s always improvements to make, but I wouldn’t quite go as far as calling things abysmal!
- goguy 6y ago
  The new Strava feature is pretty good IMO
- malyk 6y ago
  footpath is pretty great for planning and adding features regularly
- c0nsumer 6y ago
  One of the main reasons for this is a lack of data. The Strava Heatmap (crowdsourced data, based on past frequency of use) is pretty much the best. OSM tagging is insufficient for real good routing, and it doesn't take traffic patterns into account. Thus, a lot of route creation is dependent on hyperlocal knowledge. Strava Route Builder, with the heatmap, goes fairly far on this, but it too isn't the best. This is a really hard problem to solve.
pistoriusp 6y ago
I frequently do 50km - 60km cycling routes from my home and I've manually figured out the greenest and least busiest routes. I tested it with your app and the route is near identical to what I've figured (over the course of several thousand km's of trial an error). I'm amazed! Edit: I'm usually on a mountain bike.

donjoe 6y ago

cycle.travel does have a feature for mileage requests. It is not very much optimized for dirt routes though...

Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
Thanks for the recommendation - cycle.travel’s my site! I’d like to do a dirt/gravel profile. Main reason I haven’t so far is that it’s very hardware-intensive (as in tipping over into renting another Hetzner box).
- donjoe 6y ago
  Man thanks so much for your work! Been using it for some time now especially for planning long distance routes. That's where cycle.travel really shines (plus I really love the 3D altitude visualization ;-)). I usually tend to export routes and navigate with komoot. Komoot for long distance planning is terribly slow as soon as you hit ~200km+.
  - karussell 6y ago
    I just wanted to reply this cannot be as Komoot is also using CH (fast routing algorithm using GraphHopper) but yes, they are relative slow for fast routes. The reason seems that they create a very big response (5MB) in these cases and then it takes more seconds to visualize this. For current & original GraphHopper the response is highly optimized and so it is much smaller (20x) even with comparable road data (like elevation, surface, bridges/tunnels and road class) btw: in general Komoot is a nicely polished app. I can only recommend it :)
    - donjoe 6y ago
      I absolutely agree. Routing using a phone is loads of fun. I do have the paid version and I highly appreciate their open source-ish character. Besides large response data and a slaggish planning interface @ komoot: try routing from northern Italy to Sicily: Komoot doesn't seem to know the ferry departing in Villa s. Giovanni to Messina. Komoot will always - no matter how may vias you place - route you back north and send you on a ferry in Salerno. Yes, I know, I could split my route and such. Yet, I love the idea of my planning tool to show me the complete route - including official transportation ;-)

rorykoehler 6y ago

Komoot does mileage requests. I use it nearly every ride.

stugrey 6y ago

Maybe check out Huli who are working on exactly this amongst other things https://huli.life/ https://huli.life/

notatoad 6y ago
this actually looks pretty cool, but if i'm being honest i just want to use it because they had the guts to call their company hooli.
efrecon 6y ago
huli looks promising, but they just have cycling right now. It's a no go for long(ish) runners.

mvkel 6y ago

This already exists! It’s an app called EasyRoute