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Google did profit massively from kubernetes, moreso than any other big company (Hello Red Hat lol) It was (for better and for worse) the #1 reason to adopt GCP

Google did profit massively from kubernetes, moreso than any other big company (Hello Red Hat lol) It was (for better and for worse) the #1 reason to adopt GCP for our main cloud platform, and we're not alone. It's has seen immense adoption that it wouldn't have had if it hadn't been in a neutral foundation. The work was definitely not done by Google alone (~30%). IS GCP "still" #3 ? Yes. Is it because they didn't get a tighter grip on k8s and try to use it as a competitive advantage ? absolutely not. Nobody would have touched k8s with a 10 foot pole in that situation. The strength of k8s is in its eco-system and that wouldn't have happened without the CNCF. And I'm saying this as an early adopter of k8s, it's insane for the Google brass to see anything other than an immense success in the handling of k8s, at least from the perspective of how much money it made Google (indirectly) It's not because of K8S strategy that GCP is #3. It's just because MS & AWS are better. PERIOD. Better at service, better at marketing, better at some product design sometimes, better at abusing their current dominant position (hehe it sucks doesn't Goog ? heh? Doesn't it ?)

koffiezet 6y ago
> (Hello Red Hat lol) I think you underestimate the revenue OpenShift is generating... If I see the support contract bills of my clients, holy crap, you could host a ton of stuff on GCP for that.
- znpy 6y ago
  If I see the support contract bills of my clients, holy crap, you could host a ton of stuff on GCP for that. yeah with no support lol, and when something goes wrong... oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on a more serious note: in order to compare apples to apples you should compare red hat support bills with GCP support bills (i think they call that "professional services"). I guess they aren't cheap either.
  - koffiezet 6y ago
    > eah with no support lol, and when something goes wrong... oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sadly, also my experience. Response SLA of 2 hours? Please attach sosreport is ALWAYS the first reply. Even if you attached it in the original ticket (which we always do). The technical quality of the support is sub-par, most of the time when we include technical information, they don't seem to understand it at all...
- freedomben 6y ago
  Disclaimer: I'm a Red Hat consultant but this is entirely my own opinion Comparing consulting bills to IaaS bills is apples/oranges. Consultants are really just Humans as a Service (HaaS). A lot of the work we do is to bring in expertise in something that would otherwise be difficult and expensive to hire for and augment a team for a short period. We actually help customers with cloud-stuff (like AWS and Azure) all the time. A lot of the work I've been doing lately is stuff that would have to be done if you were using K8s on cloud instead of OpenShift. I'm currently helping to migrate services from older platforms (like BlueMix) to OpenShift. You can look for that "feature" all day long in the cloud console, but you won't find it :-)
  - koffiezet 6y ago
    I'm not talking about consultancy fees. I'm only talking about Redhat licenses for OpenShift and its support contracts. I'm also a freelance consultant mainly focused on OpenShift and k8s, my bill is separate.
    - freedomben 6y ago
      Ah ok, I gotcha. No disagreement here. Apologies for misconstruing your comment.
Andrex 6y ago
> better at abusing their current dominant position (hehe it sucks doesn't Goog ? heh? Doesn't it ?) Just wanted to say this one weirdly petty/obnoxious concluding line tainted an otherwise solid comment. Seems unnecessary.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  It's incredibly accurate though. One human remark shouldn't ruin a comment full of substance for you. This isn't a Reddit comment, it's an HN response with a tail of humanity.
- solarkraft 6y ago
  I don't see why. It's funny, based on facts and doesn't imply a clear bias (very different from something like "and btw Google are assholes").
- manigandham 6y ago
  That's exactly how it is in adtech where Google dictates everything to the rest of the industry.
znpy 6y ago
> Google did profit massively from kubernetes i should check if it's still the case, but I remember a time where every effing kubernetes tutorial would make you spin up a k8s cluster on google cloud.
- gary-kim 6y ago
  I remember learning about Kubernetes for the first time. Thought it sounded cool so I started looking into how to make my own cluster. I think every other tutorial was like: "next, go to CLOUD_PROVIDER and sign up for an account to make a cluster". I'm trying to look up how to make my own cluster, not use someone else's. Figured it out eventually but it took way more searching then for learning how to use k8s.
  - znpy 6y ago
    yes, I had the same experience and the same issues.

koffiezet 6y ago

> (Hello Red Hat lol) I think you underestimate the revenue OpenShift is generating... If I see the support contract bills of my clients, holy crap, you could host a ton of stuff on GCP for that.

znpy 6y ago
If I see the support contract bills of my clients, holy crap, you could host a ton of stuff on GCP for that. yeah with no support lol, and when something goes wrong... oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on a more serious note: in order to compare apples to apples you should compare red hat support bills with GCP support bills (i think they call that "professional services"). I guess they aren't cheap either.
- koffiezet 6y ago
  > eah with no support lol, and when something goes wrong... oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sadly, also my experience. Response SLA of 2 hours? Please attach sosreport is ALWAYS the first reply. Even if you attached it in the original ticket (which we always do). The technical quality of the support is sub-par, most of the time when we include technical information, they don't seem to understand it at all...
freedomben 6y ago
Disclaimer: I'm a Red Hat consultant but this is entirely my own opinion Comparing consulting bills to IaaS bills is apples/oranges. Consultants are really just Humans as a Service (HaaS). A lot of the work we do is to bring in expertise in something that would otherwise be difficult and expensive to hire for and augment a team for a short period. We actually help customers with cloud-stuff (like AWS and Azure) all the time. A lot of the work I've been doing lately is stuff that would have to be done if you were using K8s on cloud instead of OpenShift. I'm currently helping to migrate services from older platforms (like BlueMix) to OpenShift. You can look for that "feature" all day long in the cloud console, but you won't find it :-)
- koffiezet 6y ago
  I'm not talking about consultancy fees. I'm only talking about Redhat licenses for OpenShift and its support contracts. I'm also a freelance consultant mainly focused on OpenShift and k8s, my bill is separate.
  - freedomben 6y ago
    Ah ok, I gotcha. No disagreement here. Apologies for misconstruing your comment.

Andrex 6y ago

> better at abusing their current dominant position (hehe it sucks doesn't Goog ? heh? Doesn't it ?) Just wanted to say this one weirdly petty/obnoxious concluding line tainted an otherwise solid comment. Seems unnecessary.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
It's incredibly accurate though. One human remark shouldn't ruin a comment full of substance for you. This isn't a Reddit comment, it's an HN response with a tail of humanity.
solarkraft 6y ago
I don't see why. It's funny, based on facts and doesn't imply a clear bias (very different from something like "and btw Google are assholes").
manigandham 6y ago
That's exactly how it is in adtech where Google dictates everything to the rest of the industry.

znpy 6y ago

> Google did profit massively from kubernetes i should check if it's still the case, but I remember a time where every effing kubernetes tutorial would make you spin up a k8s cluster on google cloud.

gary-kim 6y ago
I remember learning about Kubernetes for the first time. Thought it sounded cool so I started looking into how to make my own cluster. I think every other tutorial was like: "next, go to CLOUD_PROVIDER and sign up for an account to make a cluster". I'm trying to look up how to make my own cluster, not use someone else's. Figured it out eventually but it took way more searching then for learning how to use k8s.
- znpy 6y ago
  yes, I had the same experience and the same issues.