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Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone
- qrbLPHiKpiux 6y agoThe digital era is not kind to preserving history.
- noja 6y agoYou could say the same about the slave trader statues or the army bases named after certain people.
- faggot 6y agoLol wut
- dave5104 6y agoThat history is better preserved in a museum, not displayed front and center at present-day city halls.
- brokencode 6y agoI see this opinion all the time about taking down statues, but how does that make any sense? Is there a movement that is burning books and taking down Wikipedia pages to go along with the statues? Because when I want to learn about history, I don’t check my local city hall.. Statues are often used to glorify or celebrate famous historical figures. I think Confederate statues would work well in a museum with context explaining the horrors of slavery, but to display them in public places is more glory than they deserve. Many Confederates no doubt showed courage and other commendable qualities, but I do not agree with celebrating people who betrayed their country to fight for slavery.
- mantap 6y agoWhat about a Roman or a Greek statue, they were enthusiastic slave owners. How long ago does someone have to have lived in order to appreciate them as a historical figure regardless of whether their actions were good or bad. Obviously there exists a point.
- brokencode 6y agoThat’s fair, but does anybody find Roman or Greek statues offensive? To many in this country, Confederate statues are symbols of oppression and a reminder of the systemic racism in our society. The answer to “Where do we draw the line?” should always be “somewhere”, instead of just throwing up your hands and admitting defeat.
- Alupis 6y agoTo me, statues represent history. Not all history is good, and not all is bad. Removal of statues, to me, is like trying to hide history. Statues usually have some plaque describing who the person was, and what they did. Why can't that plaque say the guy owned slaves, or was a confederate general or whatever? Ya, these guys were on the wrong side of history, but there's still things to be learned. One of the best military minds of all time, for example, happened to be a confederate. Should we learn nothing from this man aside from the fact that he was a confederate?
- reaperducer 6y agowhen I want to learn about history, I don’t check my local city hall If you want to learn about local history, you absolutely go to city hall, or wherever you local clerks office is.
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- forgot_old_user 6y agoarchive.org?
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- Forge36 6y agoThe originals are lost. Do we have copies?
- tvanantwerp 6y agoNot just in terms of data preservation, but also in the amounts and the ever-quicker shifts of context. I can barely understand the controversy of the day on Twitter as it is, and I'm living through it. I don't know how future historians will make any sense of the data we do leave behind.
- baddox 6y agoBut wasn't the alternative in the past just less data and fewer people with power to create preserved data?
- Spooky23 6y agoNo, you had letters and other primary source material. The garbage on Twitter is literally garbage and propaganda. The bleating of various mouthpieces are only useful in coordination with events and real documents.
- baddox 6y agoDon't you suppose that letters also contained a lot of garbage and propaganda? I don't think we are generating less primary source material now that will be usable by future historians.
- reaperducer 6y agoNot really. People were more carful and precise with what they wrote back then because writing takes effort, and the expense of paper, envelopes, ink, pens, and stamps wasn't insignificant. Today, people just throw a bunch of words on the internet without thought or care, and if people react to it, Yay! We're an influencer!
- baddox 6y agoI just don't really buy it. I imagine those people back then were also complaining about how the kids these days don't care enough to communicate properly. https://xkcd.com/1227/ https://xkcd.com/1227/
- aahhahahaaa 6y agoKinder than it's ever been (at least for the short term)! We can (and do) archive this stuff in a way that doesn't go up in smoke from a single library fire. It's searchable too.
- faggot 6y agoMore politics on hacker news. Great. Later, fagots.
- EvanAnderson 6y agoI enjoyed an interview with one of two filmmakers about a documentary they made on Roger Stone. Politics aside, he's an interesting character. https://www.npr.org/2017/07/13/537023277/documentary-reveals-the-dirty-tricks-of-one-of-trumps-closest-political-advisers https://www.npr.org/2017/07/13/537023277/documentary-reveals...
- sergiotapia 6y agoThe future is decentralized, techs and hackers will leave and regular joes will follow later.
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- Ijumfs 6y agoDon't know why you were downvoted, this is true and it's already happening.
- olivermarks 6y agoIt appears FB & Twitter are taking down a lot of people they perceive and label as 'far right' (whatever that is supposed to mean these days) but ok with Marxists and others on the left fringes being featured and even promoted. I don't have an allegiance here, just watching as these events unfold.
- shripadk 6y agoYou are not wrong in your assessment. It is clearly bias at play. This will change the social media landscape where you will have platforms delineated by political ideologies. It is sad that it is happening but it is true that voices are being suppressed. Suppression/Censorship of speech has never lead to a free society. The opposite in fact!
- uncoder0 6y agoYou are correct. Reddit tried to change all the moderators on the Donald Trump subreddit a few months back and in response the moderators built thedonald.win. After the recent ban wave of subs several others moved to the '.win network'.
- shripadk 6y agoYes! It is happening everywhere. Any right or right of centric publication, channel, individual is ripe for targeting in the current social media landscape. There is literally zero protection or recourse. It is their platforms and they can do whatever they please. In essence, these social media companies wield influence greater than many Governments in the World. This sort of unchecked power is scary to say the least!
- olivermarks 6y agoI think the time has come for the major big tech PLATFORMS to declare their formal political allegiances and end the travesty they are 'just providing a Section230 service'. The EU's MEPs are organized by political views rather than party in a Burning Man style semi circle to debate the political views of the Commissioners and provide some input. In many ways the tech world could be organized in a similar way to better provide free speech and formally 'biased' platforms.
- twsttest 6y ago> "that included a Nazi symbol" I believe it was an upside down triangle... That's a common symbol and just happened to match an obscure Nazi symbol I think very few people alive today have ever seen before. Just more propaganda repeated over and over. "Nope, it wasn't an upside down triangle, it was a Nazi symbol. Everyone using upside down triangles is hereafter deemed to be making Nazi dogwhistles!"
- aahhahahaaa 6y agoI see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with blue circles? pink rectangles? hmm, no. Have they also "accidentally" used gold 6-pointed stars? yes.
- javagram 6y agoThey didn’t choose the symbol at random but rather because it’s the symbol many Antifa supporters use to brand their movement https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Antifascist-Red-Triangles-antifa-left-symbol-by-reydefine/43631729.EJUG5 https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Antifascist-Red-Triangle... Perhaps Antifa itself got the symbol from nazis though?
- twsttest 6y agoExactly. It's so blatantly political propaganda. The scary part is that "respected" outlets like NPR and others pick up the headline and run with it knowing that the link to Nazi imagery is tenuous at best. This is pulled directly from an NPR article denouncing the triangle as a Nazi symbol: "Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said that some products are sold online that use the inverted red triangle in antifa imagery, though experts said it is not a commonly adopted symbol among anti-fascist activists. "We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it's curious that they would target only this ad," Murtaugh said" Which is a perfectly reasonable explanation that's ignored by the Democratic Party's political propagandists in the media.
- sjg007 6y agoI think FB has a rule that people in prison are not allowed to be on Facebook.
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoRoger Stone is not in prison. He's expected to report to prison next week pending an appeal.
- chillacy 6y agoIt sounds like the rule is formally "you can't run an account of someone else"? Coupled with the other rule that prisons set of "you can't maintain a social network account in prison", that means there's no way to have an account: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/04/14/should-prisoners-be-allowed-to-have-facebook-pages https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/04/14/should-prisone...
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago> Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook’s head of cybersecurity policy, said the removals were meant to show that artificially inflating engagement for political impact would be stopped, no matter how well connected the practitioners. Taking the goodwill approach for Facebook's actions, they determined Stone "broke the rules". I don't personally think these actions pass the consistency "smell test" of good community governance. That's the beautiful thing about vague policy, they can be selectively enforced. When there's pushback, well, the rules are the rules right?
- WalterGR 6y agoDo you have any examples of sock-puppet rings that Facebook has selected to not enforce a policy?