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Alternative Video Sites : https://lbry.tv/ https://lbry.tv/ https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ https://www.b
by deadalus 6y ago
Alternative Video Sites :
https://lbry.tv/ https://lbry.tv/
https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.dailymotion.com/
https://www.bitchute.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/
https://dlive.tv/ https://dlive.tv/
- kanox 6y agoAlternative platforms exist but they much less content and it seems implausible for significant numbers of viewers to switch. In particular bitchute seems to be entirely filled with conspiracy videos to the point where it would be better if people didn't suggest it as an alternative.
- partyboat1586 6y agoThey need some way for people to voluntarily filter the content they see.
- jacobush 6y agoWith opt in for crazy talk
- m0zg 6y agoDangerous suggestion. Who gets to define what's "crazy talk"? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
- Natanael_L 6y agoLiterally everybody has their own personal definition, and if you decide to rely on the choices of other people then their definitions will apply.
- jacobush 6y agoIt doesn't have to be very draconian, just a little tick box: include controversial videos in search results yes-no.
- ColanR 6y ago> entirely filled with conspiracy videos Better than having the content be deleted, though. Choose for yourself what you want to watch, and don't choose for other people.
- kanox 6y agoMy point is that there's almost nothing else to watch.
- olah_1 6y agoMost people use Bitchute only for the channels that they're already subbed to on youtube. So you log in to Bitchute and just see your subs which are like 5 channels that got deleted from youtube. Subbing is the curation system.
- monkeywork 6y agoand how do you discover someone to sub to them.
- olah_1 6y agoUsually through their YouTube channel or twitter or telegram. “hey, I just got my channel taken down on YouTube. Sub to me on bitchute instead” Personally, I’m not confident bitchute is technically competent enough to implement a real discovery algorithm. They haven’t made any discernible technical improvements to the site since they first launched.
- monkeywork 6y agono what you are describing is how I keep up with someone after I've already found and followed them (ie Twitter / Youtube / other social platform). I asked about discovery ... because at the end of the day that is the difference maker.
- s9w 6y agoWell what do you expect ends up on such an alternative site. Certainly not pop music. Recommendations don't matter, content does.
- stronglikedan 6y ago> entirely filled with conspiracy videos Not entirely, and I see a lot of conspiracy vids on youtube and other platforms too, so I believe suggestion is justified.
- prvc 6y agoIf true, the relative proportion of such videos would only decrease as new users join. If your goal is to suppress such videos, then turning prospective users away would be counterproductive.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago> entirely filled with conspiracy videos That's just a lie. It's filled with videos that don't match your politics.
- vinceroni 6y agohttps://peer.tube/ https://peer.tube/
- olah_1 6y agoMinds.com is also adding a video system and an encrypted chat system based on the matrix protocol. https://gitlab.com/groups/minds/-/roadmap https://gitlab.com/groups/minds/-/roadmap I'm impressed with the incremental approach that they've taken to making improvements. LBRY is great, but the fact that the token is unstable makes it impossible to set a consistent price barrier for your content. And it's difficult for normies to understand how to get money back out of the token economy. That's why I think crypto currency systems are great, but should either be opt-in or a first class on-boarding experience that explains like you're five.
- koheripbal 6y agoThese alternatives are ultimately the solution to the controversy of online censorship - no matter which side you're on. The ability to control and censor broad swaths of human communication globally is not a power any corporation should have. ...it is just one of many negative by-products of oligopolies.
- olah_1 6y agoWell a large amount of censorship has to do with being attractive to advertisers. And there’s this strange viscous cycle of how the Overton Window[1] is formed and then rigidly enforced. It’s not clear to me what comes first, chicken or egg, but I do think it’s not ideal. I think Minds does have a pretty unique system for moderation[2]. It does seem pretty resilient because the voting happens in private, so you can really vote your conscience. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window [2]: https://www.minds.com/content-policy https://www.minds.com/content-policy
- godshatter 6y agoThey help, but there are other ways that something like minds.com could be inconvenienced that don't relate to financial issues. Gab.com, for example, has been dropped in the past by at least one domain registrar, by at least one web hosting company, and by a couple of different payment processors.
- CamperBob2 6y ago
- dsteinman 6y agoWith Joe Rogan moving to Spotify, including video streaming, I wonder if Spotify is seriously contemplating building out a true Youtube competitor.
- BuildTheRobots 6y agoIs Spotify offering video hosting as well as streaming? I ask because of mixcloud - I can _live_ stream video which gets broadcast, but only the audio currently gets stored for future playback.
- martin_bech 6y agoHavent seen anything public, but it seems like they are building this, for when Joe Rogan launches.
- sschueller 6y agoAlso fediverse version: https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/
- agumonkey 6y agonot a user of peertube but I wish some good channels move to there as a stress test (and a warning sign for centralized platforms)
- whatsmyusername 6y ago> https://lbry.tv/ https://lbry.tv/ Never heard of them. Will probably disappear in a year. > https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.dailymotion.com/ Pirated cartoons > https://www.bitchute.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ Never heard of them. Will probably disappear in a year. > https://dlive.tv/ https://dlive.tv/ For when you're too much of a bigot to go to facebook gaming after getting kicked off twitch
- AlexandrB 6y agoIf you're a viewer, there are also some paid alternatives like https://watchnebula.com https://watchnebula.com
- newsoundwave 6y agoSomewhat unrelated, but I saw the mirror on bitchute of this video and dear lord are the comments toxic. Like they make YouTube seem tame.
- mnglkhn2 6y agoor, in other words, literally shaking
- ricardobeat 6y agoHad never heard of bitchute before. The homepage is scary, looks like an alt-right hiding spot...
- jeffhuys 6y agoWell yeah, as youtube deletes these type of videos a lot.
- pjc50 6y agoThat is pretty much all the "free speech" debate these days; copyright infringement and child porn will get hammered wherever they are, regular porn has its own infrastructure, and FOSTA-SESTA sex workers appear to have been effectively suppressed. That leaves material which is not illegal but is incredibly unpopular.
- bufferoverflow 6y agoBoth Youtube and FB banned a shit ton of right wing / conservative channels. They have to go somewhere. They go to free speech platforms.
- jakub_g 6y ago(Disclosure: I work for Dailymotion) I think personally that anyone having a serious presence on YouTube should consider at least having a backup of all their videos on Dailymotion or other service. AFAIK we don't do massive automated deletions like YT does. There are also tools to upload videos to both platforms at once. While DM is not chasing youtubers to host their stuff there and even lowering the share of revenue for non-verified creators (the company has pivoted to "premium content" strategy and prefers to partner with big brands) and reach and monetization is way lower than YT, having a backup/fallback strategy (especially when you embed your videos on your website) is something worth considering given history of YT dramas. DM is here to stay and your videos as well AFAICT. It was acquired by Vivendi (huge media conglomerate, owner of Universal Music Group) in 2016 and the company is rebuilding itself and growing.
- jacquesm 6y ago> It was acquired by Vivendi (huge media conglomerate, owner of Universal Music Group) in 2016 and the company is rebuilding itself and growing. That doesn't actually help. Archive.org might be a better party to save important material.
- nojs 6y agoYeah, I’d say “owned by a huge media conglomerate” is a negative in this context given that’s what Google is. Any other large company is likely to be similarly incentivised to minimise reputational risk to advertisers.
- jakub_g 6y agoMy point was "it's not gonna disappear next year". But for sure, brand safety is an important KPI and clearly, unlawful content is definitely being removed, and certain kinds of content get demonetized.
- jacquesm 6y ago> My point was "it's not gonna disappear next year". Like Geocities, right? The web rots, and video / media sites rot faster than most because of commercial interests which typically do not align with the long term interests of the users of those sites. As soon as a large corporation acquires them, especially a media company it becomes a different ballgame and what goes for Youtube goes just the same for DM. Youtube isn't going to disappear next year, but some of its content will.
- niyazpk 6y agoWhy not twitch.tv?
- bufferoverflow 6y agoBecause they ban channels just like Youtube. They just banned Trump's channel a few days ago.