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So this is how it's going to happen - with every country banning each other's social media apps, we will enter into a future of digital borders, limited speech,

So this is how it's going to happen - with every country banning each other's social media apps, we will enter into a future of digital borders, limited speech, and broken international relations. All in the name of making sure people don't dare think some wrongthink.

bruceb 6y ago
TikTok can already limit your speech. If you "wrong think" on their you would be booted.
- core-questions 6y ago
  Of course. But Facebook limits our speech just as much, no?
  - HenryBemis 6y ago
    Facebook, on the front end, manipulates what you see just to piss you off and increase "user engagement". On the back end it collects and sells data to anyone with money (see Cambridge Analytica, and whoever else). It is a filthy game, but a different game. They don't filter/block what you say/write, unless you go very extreme with your opinions posts. To ensure that I am not defending Facebook, it is a filthy company, with filthy management, and filthy agendas. Unfortunately they provide the 1-2-5-10 useful features that have captured some audience that would have otherwise dropped them.
cameldrv 6y ago
It creates quite an opening for decentralized social networks, which I am very much looking forward to, because it means I can control the feed again.
fiblye 6y ago
I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans. Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to download a full spying suite under the guise of social media? The problem is this opens a whole new can of worms regarding Facebook and other American social media. Other countries are equally justified in banning them for the same reason.
- Cookingboy 6y ago
  >I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans But it's A-ok when NSA powered/hijacked/collaborated U.S. social media companies do the same to the rest of the world? I'm pretty sure PRISM didn't just get dismantled after Snowden. >Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to download a full spying suite under the guise of social media? Because espionage involves more than just digging up information that is voluntarily put out on social media? I mean if you upload the blueprint of a stealth fighter onto TikTok/Dropbox/Instagram/whatever the fault is yours don't you think?
  - fiblye 6y ago
    In the very next paragraph I mentioned that other countries have the right to respond to America the same way. Espionage isn't just uploading blueprints. That's 1950s comic book stuff. It's copying users' clipboards, recording conversations, and tracking locations and gathering data from those around you.
  - actuator 6y ago
    This is just classic whataboutism. You should be careful of all of these companies as well. But you can't really equate the rule of law in both the countries in good faith. I really doubt criticism of Covid-19 handling lands you in jail in US. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/world/asia/china-detains-xu-zhangrun-critic.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/worl...
    - Barrin92 6y ago
      >But you can't really equate the rule of law in both the countries in good faith Yes you can't because Americans aren't subject to Chinese law. What do you think is going to happen, the CCP send their best assassin over to get you because they didn't like your cat video? You've got more to fear from the FBI trying to get into your iphone if they suspect you of a crime than a foreign government that doesn't have any jurisdiction over you. this is just plain old populism and sinophobia and has nothing to do with privacy
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mxcrossb 6y ago
On that note, this will be tough for people with relatives in China, since they might lose their only way to chat for free. You also lose a channel for pushing your own propaganda to other countries. Here’s an idea: what if you forced any app that goes across borders to be open source and implement decentralized encryption of all data? This is a joke of course....
- rottingfruit 6y ago
  Tik tok isn’t allowed in China as far as I know.
libpcap 6y ago
Thank China for that.

bruceb 6y ago

TikTok can already limit your speech. If you "wrong think" on their you would be booted.

core-questions 6y ago
Of course. But Facebook limits our speech just as much, no?
- HenryBemis 6y ago
  Facebook, on the front end, manipulates what you see just to piss you off and increase "user engagement". On the back end it collects and sells data to anyone with money (see Cambridge Analytica, and whoever else). It is a filthy game, but a different game. They don't filter/block what you say/write, unless you go very extreme with your opinions posts. To ensure that I am not defending Facebook, it is a filthy company, with filthy management, and filthy agendas. Unfortunately they provide the 1-2-5-10 useful features that have captured some audience that would have otherwise dropped them.

cameldrv 6y ago

It creates quite an opening for decentralized social networks, which I am very much looking forward to, because it means I can control the feed again.

fiblye 6y ago

I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans. Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to download a full spying suite under the guise of social media? The problem is this opens a whole new can of worms regarding Facebook and other American social media. Other countries are equally justified in banning them for the same reason.

Cookingboy 6y ago
>I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans But it's A-ok when NSA powered/hijacked/collaborated U.S. social media companies do the same to the rest of the world? I'm pretty sure PRISM didn't just get dismantled after Snowden. >Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to download a full spying suite under the guise of social media? Because espionage involves more than just digging up information that is voluntarily put out on social media? I mean if you upload the blueprint of a stealth fighter onto TikTok/Dropbox/Instagram/whatever the fault is yours don't you think?
- fiblye 6y ago
  In the very next paragraph I mentioned that other countries have the right to respond to America the same way. Espionage isn't just uploading blueprints. That's 1950s comic book stuff. It's copying users' clipboards, recording conversations, and tracking locations and gathering data from those around you.
- actuator 6y ago
  This is just classic whataboutism. You should be careful of all of these companies as well. But you can't really equate the rule of law in both the countries in good faith. I really doubt criticism of Covid-19 handling lands you in jail in US. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/world/asia/china-detains-xu-zhangrun-critic.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/worl...
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    >But you can't really equate the rule of law in both the countries in good faith Yes you can't because Americans aren't subject to Chinese law. What do you think is going to happen, the CCP send their best assassin over to get you because they didn't like your cat video? You've got more to fear from the FBI trying to get into your iphone if they suspect you of a crime than a foreign government that doesn't have any jurisdiction over you. this is just plain old populism and sinophobia and has nothing to do with privacy

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mxcrossb 6y ago

On that note, this will be tough for people with relatives in China, since they might lose their only way to chat for free. You also lose a channel for pushing your own propaganda to other countries. Here’s an idea: what if you forced any app that goes across borders to be open source and implement decentralized encryption of all data? This is a joke of course....

rottingfruit 6y ago
Tik tok isn’t allowed in China as far as I know.

libpcap 6y ago

Thank China for that.