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They are not the real problem. The all-or-nothing exaggerations that remove all nuance are (a major part of) the real problem.

deleuze 6y ago
I think the person saying that "akshually, women are more privileged because I'm a heterosexual" is the one lacking nuance.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Nobody said this; you're inventing strawmen. e: Apparently someone did say this. Apologies.
  - deleuze 6y ago
    The quote literally says that... how is that a strawman?
    - vonmoltke 6y ago
      You pulled a quote from tomp's post history, in a post made 8 days ago in a discussion on an unrelated story, and gave no indication of where it came from. You should have posted the source link as an attribution, because I was really confused about where you were getting that from until BerislavLopac found it and posted the link.
  - BerislavLopac 6y ago
    I'm not defending either of them, but that quote is apparently from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23662706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23662706
- luckylion 6y ago
  That's a misrepresentation of the content and you're pretending he wrote that. It didn't say "women are more privileged", it said "I'm a man, but I've never received any benefit just because (most of) our presidents / businessmen are men". Please leave that kind of behavior on reddit and Twitter.
Topolomancer 6y ago
Moreover, not everyone who receives benefits is aware of them in the first place. For example, I am reasonably sure that I have it slightly easier at conferences as a man because women do not hit on me, whereas my female Ph.D. students have to endure all kinds of sleazy invitations over the course of one week. (low sample size, admittedly, but it was eye-opening)
- mtgp1000 6y ago
  >I am reasonably sure that I have it slightly easier at conferences as a man because women do not hit on me Can we acknowledge the fact that most men would be ecstatic to be hit on by a woman or two at a conference? Can we acknowledge that men and women are innately different? That forcing men to change their behavior significantly to accommodate for women in male spaces may in fact place unequal strain on men? Edit: are we just going to deny the fact that men are biologically driven to reproduce and compete for women? That this is an instinctual urge that we are required to suppress? You don't solve problems by ignoring their sources.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    As a fat, hairy IT guy who goes to a lot of conferences, I'd be super unnerved by multiple women hitting on me. That's the kind of thing that ends up with me getting hoodwinked out of a bunch of cash or waking up without a kidney in a bath tub full of ice.
  - cycomanic 6y ago
    > >I am reasonably sure that I have it slightly easier at conferences as a man because women do not hit on me > Can we acknowledge the fact that most men would be ecstatic to be hit on by a woman or two at a conference? Can we acknowledge that men and women are innately different? That forcing men to change their behavior significantly to accommodate for women in male spaces may in fact place unequal strain on men? "Male spaces"?! Since when are conferences male spaces, they are a freaking professional space and yes expecting men (and women) to act professionally is exactly what we should do. > Edit: are we just going to deny the fact that men are biologically driven to reproduce and compete for women? That this is an instinctual urge that we are required to suppress? You don't solve problems by ignoring their sources. B*ll, to imply that men can't control themselves is just offensive to men. But I guess you're also a proponent that women should wear burkas to protect them from those men that can't control themselves. Funny how those "policies" are always to the detriment of the women, not the men who can't control themselves. So much for unequal strain.

deleuze 6y ago

I think the person saying that "akshually, women are more privileged because I'm a heterosexual" is the one lacking nuance.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Nobody said this; you're inventing strawmen. e: Apparently someone did say this. Apologies.
- deleuze 6y ago
  The quote literally says that... how is that a strawman?
  - vonmoltke 6y ago
    You pulled a quote from tomp's post history, in a post made 8 days ago in a discussion on an unrelated story, and gave no indication of where it came from. You should have posted the source link as an attribution, because I was really confused about where you were getting that from until BerislavLopac found it and posted the link.
- BerislavLopac 6y ago
  I'm not defending either of them, but that quote is apparently from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23662706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23662706
luckylion 6y ago
That's a misrepresentation of the content and you're pretending he wrote that. It didn't say "women are more privileged", it said "I'm a man, but I've never received any benefit just because (most of) our presidents / businessmen are men". Please leave that kind of behavior on reddit and Twitter.

Topolomancer 6y ago

Moreover, not everyone who receives benefits is aware of them in the first place. For example, I am reasonably sure that I have it slightly easier at conferences as a man because women do not hit on me, whereas my female Ph.D. students have to endure all kinds of sleazy invitations over the course of one week. (low sample size, admittedly, but it was eye-opening)

mtgp1000 6y ago
>I am reasonably sure that I have it slightly easier at conferences as a man because women do not hit on me Can we acknowledge the fact that most men would be ecstatic to be hit on by a woman or two at a conference? Can we acknowledge that men and women are innately different? That forcing men to change their behavior significantly to accommodate for women in male spaces may in fact place unequal strain on men? Edit: are we just going to deny the fact that men are biologically driven to reproduce and compete for women? That this is an instinctual urge that we are required to suppress? You don't solve problems by ignoring their sources.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  As a fat, hairy IT guy who goes to a lot of conferences, I'd be super unnerved by multiple women hitting on me. That's the kind of thing that ends up with me getting hoodwinked out of a bunch of cash or waking up without a kidney in a bath tub full of ice.
- cycomanic 6y ago
  > >I am reasonably sure that I have it slightly easier at conferences as a man because women do not hit on me > Can we acknowledge the fact that most men would be ecstatic to be hit on by a woman or two at a conference? Can we acknowledge that men and women are innately different? That forcing men to change their behavior significantly to accommodate for women in male spaces may in fact place unequal strain on men? "Male spaces"?! Since when are conferences male spaces, they are a freaking professional space and yes expecting men (and women) to act professionally is exactly what we should do. > Edit: are we just going to deny the fact that men are biologically driven to reproduce and compete for women? That this is an instinctual urge that we are required to suppress? You don't solve problems by ignoring their sources. B*ll, to imply that men can't control themselves is just offensive to men. But I guess you're also a proponent that women should wear burkas to protect them from those men that can't control themselves. Funny how those "policies" are always to the detriment of the women, not the men who can't control themselves. So much for unequal strain.