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Similar has been replicated in removing asking about criminal records to be discriminatory against black people. It really shows just how systemic bias can be.
by TeaDrunk 6y ago
Similar has been replicated in removing asking about criminal records to be discriminatory against black people.
It really shows just how systemic bias can be.
Admittedly this makes me uncertain what studies have been done to prove or at least anyhropologically report on effective movements at increasing diversity. We already know (or have evidence that) more diverse teams are more effective teams.
- twsttest 6y agoSo because black people commit disproportionate amounts of crime it's somehow discriminatory to ask for criminal records? The answer here is for individuals to stop committing crime, regardless of race. Personal responsibility matters, but people who are obsessed with racialized thinking don't see people as individuals and that in itself is problematic and racist.
- tartoran 6y agoWhen it comes to policing this is actually a real problem and a violent one. Watch this vicious attack that police pretend a dog did it while not doing anything but provoke more pain. Imagine for a second you were black when you saw this. Getting arrested, not resisting and being mauled by a police dog, this leaves me speechless... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbZWt7kWCCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbZWt7kWCCY
- tartoran 6y agoHow about this [1]? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0HI2DY4Xk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0HI2DY4Xk
- marcinzm 6y agoBlack people are convicted of disproportionate amounts of crimes which is different than committing a disproportionate amount of crimes. Or at least as disproportionate an amount. The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often. Blacks are also more likely to be poor which means they cannot afford good legal defense.
- twsttest 6y agoOften the studies showing this are flawed, or at least incomplete. For instance, it is often said that black people being arrested at higher rates for buying drugs in small amounts compared to white people when data shows that both groups use drugs at the same rates is evidence of discrimination. However subsequent research has shown that black individuals often engage in much riskier behavior when buying drugs, leading them to get caught more. What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"?
- marcinzm 6y ago>What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"? Talking to middle class black people, most have stories of police harassment which my white middle class friends do not.
- twsttest 6y agoHave you asked if they were engaging in bad behavior? One sided anecdotes are often unreliable.
- blaser-waffle 6y agoThey were harassed -- absolutely believe that. Were they convicted of anything? OP wasn't talking about harassment, they were talking about convictions.
- mtgp1000 6y agoDoes personal responsibility matter at all anymore? >The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often And blacks are more likely to commit the crimes in the first place, and more likely to reoffend. If you want to blame "systematic racism" or whatever the term of the day is, you need to paint the whole picture, because culturally inspired behavior (fuck the police!) leads to culturally inspired outcomes. Tell me, do you believe that the justice system (excluding marital issues) is biased against men relative to women, since the incarceration ratio is like 9:1?
- cheez 6y agoCareful with your words. You say "black people commit disproportionate amount of crime" but it is entirely possible that black people are prosecuted more often for the same crimes as white people do not get prosecuted for. A simple web search will show you that is true.
- SamReidHughes 6y agoThis is why there are population surveys of criminal victimization. See table 12 on page 12. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf
- cheez 6y agoWhat do you want me to take away from it?
- SamReidHughes 6y agoThat it refutes your hypothesis.
- cheez 6y agoPlease dumb it down for me how it does so.
- jimbokun 6y agoI think there are statistics showing that black people are much more likely to be arrested for committing the same crime as a white person, and thus more likely to have a criminal record even if they don't commit more crimes.
- Ar-Curunir 6y agoThis is racist crap. If you over police black and brown neighborhoods, you’ll manage to find ways to incriminate black and brown people at a much higher rate than white people, because you won’t be around to see white people committing the same crimes.
- radford-neal 6y agoI think the claim is that prohibiting employers from asking about criminal records disadvantages black people precisely because black people commit more crimes. If they're allowed to ask about criminal records, then the non-criminals, black or white, are all on an equal footing. If they're not allowed to ask, then they'll assume that the black applicant is more likely to be a criminal. [ I have no idea whether or not this claim is actually empirically true. ]