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This is a bug, have you guys seen a software bug before? What is it with the appetite for outrage? Using brave on Android devices and not planning to switch

nvr219 6y ago
Privacy is Brave's value proposition and this bug hasn't been fixed or meaningfully discussed in like six weeks. Firefox
- edoceo 6y ago
  Right! If X is your value prop you unit test the shit out of X. And patch bugs in X quickly. Here X=Privacy so, where are the unit tests and patch? Faster now that it's Top on HN.
anonymousDan 6y ago
Ya I find the outright hatred for Brave on HN a bit bizarre. The more sustainable alternatives we have to Google Chrome hegemony the better IMHO. I say this as both a FF and Brave user.
- afiori 6y ago
  I know nothing about pro and cons of Brave, but many people that criticize Chrome hegemony often see Brave as inconsequential. It has zero leverage on the evolution of web standards as they will never be able to hard-fork the engine. In particular it does close to nothing to solve the problem of chrome-only websites. It is one of the reason the demise of edgeHTML/chakra was a bittersweet news for many (in this case Microsoft could have the resources, in extreme cases, to hard-fork blink/V8).
- admax88q 6y ago
  I find HN has a bias against anything that hurts advertising and user tracking revenue. AMP and Brave seem to get a disproportionate amount of attention.
- blocked_again 6y ago
  You do know Brave is built on top of Chromium which is funded by Google right? I won't call a browser that relies so much on Google as a sustainable alternative to Chrome.
  - modzu 6y ago
    same can be said for Firefox though (+300 million a year comes from google): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation#Financing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation#Financing
    - pixelatedindex 6y ago
      The browser rendering engine for Firefox (Gecko) is independent from Chromium, and as such isn't really reliant on Google. Mozilla's reliance on Google is solely for displaying Google as the default search engine.
      - modzu 6y ago
        sure the engine is not descended from google code but if mozilla didnt have google's funding they would essentially go bankrupt and consequently ff would go byebye. id call that dependence.
  - anonymousDan 6y ago
    Yes but they are at least trying to explore an alternative business model that doesn't fundamentally rely on hoovering up every bit of data there is to know about you without you even being aware most of the time (scepticism of cryotocurrencies aside).
catalogia 6y ago
> What is it with the appetite for outrage? It pretty obviously has a lot to do with Brendan Eich.
- Can_Not 6y ago
  And obviously the flaws in thr product itself...
eredengrin 6y ago
Yeah any time brave comes up here, you can be assured the pitchforks will be out faster than anyone could load (much less read) the article. Seems people are always ignoring many of the unique ideas that brave brings to the space that I think could be quite important, but you never see those discussed.
rsynnott 6y ago
If a company's selling point is 'privacy', it is perhaps unsurprising that they're criticised when they repeatedly turn out to be quite bad at it.
surround 6y ago
People fundamentally [1] dislike Brave, so this is just another opportunity to rap on it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22510008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22510008
smolder 6y ago
Brave on Android still includes phone model in the user agent string which is terrible for privacy. There's been an open GitHub issue for over a year at this point, I think. It doesn't appear to be a priority to fix, despite being a massive low hanging fruit for improved privacy.
- mleonhard 6y ago
  This just shows that the company isn't actually serious about privacy. Use Firefox Focus instead: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.focus https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fo...
buboard 6y ago
brave's bugs are homophobic
justapassenger 6y ago
Same can be said about a lot of the outrage stories at Google, Facebook, etc. A lot of things viewed as hostile to users are actually bugs. I'm not suggesting that there shouldn't an outrage against big tech companies. But small company should be held to the same standards, especially as they make those very features their main point of existence.
oefrha 6y ago
> What is it with the appetite for outrage? Outrage and canned evangelical responses require very little effort and rake in the easy karma. Way easier to scream "Firefox" under every post about every other browser than trying to understand a technical issue. Just look at the heaviest thread (now apparently downweighted by mods). A whopping 86 responses later, can you learn anything from it? Other than the root comment providing some context, I can hardly find anything of value that's not been repeated every single day on this site.
pkulak 6y ago
It's a company who's business model is to fork an existing project and use it to remove advertising from content creators and replace it with their own, founded and led by an asshole. I'm not outraged, but I've long since stopped giving Brave any benefit of the doubt.

nvr219 6y ago

Privacy is Brave's value proposition and this bug hasn't been fixed or meaningfully discussed in like six weeks. Firefox

edoceo 6y ago
Right! If X is your value prop you unit test the shit out of X. And patch bugs in X quickly. Here X=Privacy so, where are the unit tests and patch? Faster now that it's Top on HN.

anonymousDan 6y ago

Ya I find the outright hatred for Brave on HN a bit bizarre. The more sustainable alternatives we have to Google Chrome hegemony the better IMHO. I say this as both a FF and Brave user.

afiori 6y ago
I know nothing about pro and cons of Brave, but many people that criticize Chrome hegemony often see Brave as inconsequential. It has zero leverage on the evolution of web standards as they will never be able to hard-fork the engine. In particular it does close to nothing to solve the problem of chrome-only websites. It is one of the reason the demise of edgeHTML/chakra was a bittersweet news for many (in this case Microsoft could have the resources, in extreme cases, to hard-fork blink/V8).
admax88q 6y ago
I find HN has a bias against anything that hurts advertising and user tracking revenue. AMP and Brave seem to get a disproportionate amount of attention.
blocked_again 6y ago
You do know Brave is built on top of Chromium which is funded by Google right? I won't call a browser that relies so much on Google as a sustainable alternative to Chrome.
- modzu 6y ago
  same can be said for Firefox though (+300 million a year comes from google): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation#Financing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation#Financing
  - pixelatedindex 6y ago
    The browser rendering engine for Firefox (Gecko) is independent from Chromium, and as such isn't really reliant on Google. Mozilla's reliance on Google is solely for displaying Google as the default search engine.
    - modzu 6y ago
      sure the engine is not descended from google code but if mozilla didnt have google's funding they would essentially go bankrupt and consequently ff would go byebye. id call that dependence.
- anonymousDan 6y ago
  Yes but they are at least trying to explore an alternative business model that doesn't fundamentally rely on hoovering up every bit of data there is to know about you without you even being aware most of the time (scepticism of cryotocurrencies aside).

catalogia 6y ago

> What is it with the appetite for outrage? It pretty obviously has a lot to do with Brendan Eich.

Can_Not 6y ago
And obviously the flaws in thr product itself...

eredengrin 6y ago

Yeah any time brave comes up here, you can be assured the pitchforks will be out faster than anyone could load (much less read) the article. Seems people are always ignoring many of the unique ideas that brave brings to the space that I think could be quite important, but you never see those discussed.

rsynnott 6y ago

If a company's selling point is 'privacy', it is perhaps unsurprising that they're criticised when they repeatedly turn out to be quite bad at it.

surround 6y ago

People fundamentally [1] dislike Brave, so this is just another opportunity to rap on it. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22510008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22510008

smolder 6y ago

Brave on Android still includes phone model in the user agent string which is terrible for privacy. There's been an open GitHub issue for over a year at this point, I think. It doesn't appear to be a priority to fix, despite being a massive low hanging fruit for improved privacy.

mleonhard 6y ago
This just shows that the company isn't actually serious about privacy. Use Firefox Focus instead: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.focus https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fo...

buboard 6y ago

brave's bugs are homophobic

justapassenger 6y ago

Same can be said about a lot of the outrage stories at Google, Facebook, etc. A lot of things viewed as hostile to users are actually bugs. I'm not suggesting that there shouldn't an outrage against big tech companies. But small company should be held to the same standards, especially as they make those very features their main point of existence.

oefrha 6y ago

> What is it with the appetite for outrage? Outrage and canned evangelical responses require very little effort and rake in the easy karma. Way easier to scream "Firefox" under every post about every other browser than trying to understand a technical issue. Just look at the heaviest thread (now apparently downweighted by mods). A whopping 86 responses later, can you learn anything from it? Other than the root comment providing some context, I can hardly find anything of value that's not been repeated every single day on this site.

pkulak 6y ago

It's a company who's business model is to fork an existing project and use it to remove advertising from content creators and replace it with their own, founded and led by an asshole. I'm not outraged, but I've long since stopped giving Brave any benefit of the doubt.