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I love the demo scene, but the culture is kind of strange. Like I've been fooling around with the C64, and all the tools (emulators, debuggers, and etc) are hos

by smabie 6y ago

I love the demo scene, but the culture is kind of strange. Like I've been fooling around with the C64, and all the tools (emulators, debuggers, and etc) are hosted on source forge, or sometimes this random ftp. The author of the debugger I'm using proudly proclaims that he only works on it when he's fucked up on drugs after parties. The documentation of some tools has lewd ascii art, and etc etc. I appreciate the anti-corporate vibe and at the same time wish they were a little more professional. Whatever you think, they're true 80s style cyberpunk hackers!

drxzcl 6y ago
"On the one hand, I found a program that does exactly what we need. On the other hand, not-quite-dressed anime characters..." I've had this exact conversation with coworkers before.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Which side were you on?
  - tibet_13 6y ago
    Asking the real questions.
- nonbirithm 6y ago
  Which program?
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    "For research purposes.. of course..."
- deleted 6y ago
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- unfunco 6y ago
  I recently explained to someone in an interview that I chose Puppet over Ansible circa 2014 because by default, Ansible used to output success or failure messages using cowsay.
  - cdmckay 6y ago
    Funny, that would make me want to use Ansible more.
saagarjha 6y ago
As far as I am aware, the only known bypass of a particular iOS security mitigation has a note in it from the author notifying readers that they’ll only understand it after they “hit a blunt”. Said author also enjoys referencing Kim Jong Un in their work. It’s not just the demoscene that’s like this.
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  Probably developers sick of all programming being so sterile and corporate. You can't even publish a foss project without people jumping at you if its not suitable for a corporate environment.
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1tCKV3QfIo 6y ago
It's easy to spot the influence of dissociatives and psychedelics in many demos.
Ygg2 6y ago
> a little more professional After witnessing how "professionals" act behind closed doors, the difference is merely a mirage, in order to not affect the business image.
- ironmagma 6y ago
  Well, of course. A “professional” does not (cannot) behave professionally 100% of the time, the idea is that when doing work that interacts with others, that’s when you’re more professional.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    I never have that requirement for any community I want to take part in to be honest. If I don't like it, I am going to look elsewhere. What I consider unprofessional for example is banning people from your service because a mob demands it. Paypal is an example of a service for financial transactions that banned users fallen out of good faith. Here professional distance would actually make sense. Imagine IT services giving out personal information of people they don't like, it is completely unimaginable. I think this is a real danger for large social media sites given the behavior of companies.
    - ironmagma 6y ago
      That's down to you having a different set of bad experiences than others. There's room for both of those things to be wrong, I think over time you get a broader and hopefully more nuanced sense for what kind of behavior is unprofessional and not beneficial to the social order of a project.
- slowmovintarget 6y ago
  I've been working from home for a few months now... How about "suitable for casual family perusal" because screens are child-magnets.
- mlindner 6y ago
  "professional" is entirely about public image. If it's behind closed doors of course they no longer act professional. In some languages that value professionality there's even words built into the language. In Japanese there's the word "tatemae" 建て前 that translates roughly to "public position or attitude (as opposed to private thoughts)" that people hold while at work and they switch it off when leaving the work place/in private settings. Being professional is entirely about being a good lier.
h91wka 6y ago
https://github.com/smabie https://github.com/smabie Is it your github with a creepy kid picture? Very unprofessional!
nix23 6y ago
>are hosted on source forge Actually i like source-forge, it does not attract the twitter and facebookish folks as github seems to, aka https://github.com/nikolas/github-drama https://github.com/nikolas/github-drama
- nazgulsenpai 6y ago
  This github-drama repo has provided me with hours of time-wasting fun. Thanks for sharing!
  - nix23 6y ago
    Same ;) EDIT: Maybe the best list to find future NO-GO applicants
- xorcist 6y ago
  I think it is a reference to the fact that Sourceforge used to inject spyware into published binaries.
  - nix23 6y ago
    Yes they did in the past...that's true...shady time's ;)
- 488643689 6y ago
  Quite the leap to derail the conversation into some anti-X agenda.
  - nix23 6y ago
    Ah...i see, if i like something i have to be anti against something else right? I like meat so i have to be anti vegan right? Why not just accept that i like something but being absolutely ok with something else?
abstractbarista 6y ago
I think that's truly fantastic.
chachachoney 6y ago
Can you articulate what the specific benefits would be if the person providing obscure free tools via esoteric channels suddenly conformed to the behavioral norms your wishing for?

by smabie 6y ago

drxzcl 6y ago

"On the one hand, I found a program that does exactly what we need. On the other hand, not-quite-dressed anime characters..." I've had this exact conversation with coworkers before.

saagarjha 6y ago
Which side were you on?
- tibet_13 6y ago
  Asking the real questions.
nonbirithm 6y ago
Which program?
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  "For research purposes.. of course..."
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
unfunco 6y ago
I recently explained to someone in an interview that I chose Puppet over Ansible circa 2014 because by default, Ansible used to output success or failure messages using cowsay.
- cdmckay 6y ago
  Funny, that would make me want to use Ansible more.

saagarjha 6y ago

As far as I am aware, the only known bypass of a particular iOS security mitigation has a note in it from the author notifying readers that they’ll only understand it after they “hit a blunt”. Said author also enjoys referencing Kim Jong Un in their work. It’s not just the demoscene that’s like this.

Polylactic_acid 6y ago
Probably developers sick of all programming being so sterile and corporate. You can't even publish a foss project without people jumping at you if its not suitable for a corporate environment.

deleted 6y ago

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1tCKV3QfIo 6y ago

It's easy to spot the influence of dissociatives and psychedelics in many demos.

Ygg2 6y ago

> a little more professional After witnessing how "professionals" act behind closed doors, the difference is merely a mirage, in order to not affect the business image.

ironmagma 6y ago
Well, of course. A “professional” does not (cannot) behave professionally 100% of the time, the idea is that when doing work that interacts with others, that’s when you’re more professional.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  I never have that requirement for any community I want to take part in to be honest. If I don't like it, I am going to look elsewhere. What I consider unprofessional for example is banning people from your service because a mob demands it. Paypal is an example of a service for financial transactions that banned users fallen out of good faith. Here professional distance would actually make sense. Imagine IT services giving out personal information of people they don't like, it is completely unimaginable. I think this is a real danger for large social media sites given the behavior of companies.
  - ironmagma 6y ago
    That's down to you having a different set of bad experiences than others. There's room for both of those things to be wrong, I think over time you get a broader and hopefully more nuanced sense for what kind of behavior is unprofessional and not beneficial to the social order of a project.
slowmovintarget 6y ago
I've been working from home for a few months now... How about "suitable for casual family perusal" because screens are child-magnets.
mlindner 6y ago
"professional" is entirely about public image. If it's behind closed doors of course they no longer act professional. In some languages that value professionality there's even words built into the language. In Japanese there's the word "tatemae" 建て前 that translates roughly to "public position or attitude (as opposed to private thoughts)" that people hold while at work and they switch it off when leaving the work place/in private settings. Being professional is entirely about being a good lier.

h91wka 6y ago

https://github.com/smabie https://github.com/smabie Is it your github with a creepy kid picture? Very unprofessional!

nix23 6y ago

>are hosted on source forge Actually i like source-forge, it does not attract the twitter and facebookish folks as github seems to, aka https://github.com/nikolas/github-drama https://github.com/nikolas/github-drama

nazgulsenpai 6y ago
This github-drama repo has provided me with hours of time-wasting fun. Thanks for sharing!
- nix23 6y ago
  Same ;) EDIT: Maybe the best list to find future NO-GO applicants
xorcist 6y ago
I think it is a reference to the fact that Sourceforge used to inject spyware into published binaries.
- nix23 6y ago
  Yes they did in the past...that's true...shady time's ;)
488643689 6y ago
Quite the leap to derail the conversation into some anti-X agenda.
- nix23 6y ago
  Ah...i see, if i like something i have to be anti against something else right? I like meat so i have to be anti vegan right? Why not just accept that i like something but being absolutely ok with something else?

abstractbarista 6y ago

I think that's truly fantastic.

chachachoney 6y ago

Can you articulate what the specific benefits would be if the person providing obscure free tools via esoteric channels suddenly conformed to the behavioral norms your wishing for?