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The people illegally in the road escalated the situation first. And no, that is not even close to an excuse for shooting him.

fzeroracer 6y ago
Incorrect. Rewatch the video. You can see the protesters only start to crowd around the vehicle as he honks and attempts to push his way through the crowd. Regardless if someone is illegally in the road or not, that does not give you the right to run them over or attempt to push them out of the way with your vehicle, full stop. That would still be considered vehicular assault. Note that the other vehicles in the situation were being left alone.
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- 8374urhru 6y ago
  Yea fuck that, I hope anyone reading realizes people like you are a common part of every protest movement and are frothing at the mouth to go after people whose only crime was not wanting to die. These road blockades have a long history of attacking drivers and should always be assumed to be violent, the movements have completely failed to police themselves and so if there's no police around assume the worst and let a jury sort it out.
  - fzeroracer 6y ago
    Funny, considering you can read the comments on the video posted and see people almost literally frothing at the mouth wanting to run over protesters and murder people. Especially since this comes off the heels of a person literally being murdered just like that in Seattle.
    - DarthGhandi 6y ago
      That was a college educated black man driving the car on the highway in Seattle. It's clearly an accident, not premeditated murder.
      - fzeroracer 6y ago
        Wrong. Objectively wrong. There have been multiple updates on this situation. > At about 1:30 a.m. Saturday, the suspect allegedly drove into a group of protesters on a section that the WSP had closed about midnight. Mead said a car drove around a series of “support vehicles” that protesters were using to block I-5 and protect themselves, and onto the shoulder of the freeway, where protesters were standing. > “A vehicle drove through the closure and struck multiple pedestrians on the freeway,” Trooper Rick Johnson said in a tweet. [1] Actual video of the murder in question [2]. The driver was driving on the wrong side of the road, drove past multiple barricades and swerved into protesters. He hit them and then fled the scene. I'm going to assume good faith and say you were not aware of these updates. [1] https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/07/05/seattle-protester-who-was-struck-by-a-car-has-died/ https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/07/05/seattle-prot... [2] https://twitter.com/4t4r11/status/1279470869774061568?s=20 https://twitter.com/4t4r11/status/1279470869774061568?s=20
        mythrwy 6y ago
        The Provo event didn't "come on the heels" of the vehicle plowing into protesters in Seattle. The Provo event happened June 29. The Seattle event happened early morning July 4th. And what in the links you post show poster to which you are responding is objectively wrong? At this point it appears you are disregarding facts all together and arguing from some type of religious fervor. Something like a young earth creationist. I don't mean this in an offensive fashion but just as a reality check for you.
        monocasa 6y ago
        The I-5 incident wasn't the first case. On June 7th a car was run into protesters in Seattle. And the video shows that the car was the aggressor (and yes, revving your engine like that is assault even by itself. Assault can just be a legitimate threat of violence). It also shows that the car hit protesters, which is now aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. You don't get to run people over just because they're in the street when you start from a standstill.
- zo1 6y ago
  That line of thinking only works if social order is maintained and the police come to intervene in the illegal road block. As we've seen in the last few years, that almost never happens and the police actively let the protestors block roads illegally. At this point, it's probably being argued as a "free speech" issue rather than a safety/law one. I.e. that "protestors" have the "right" to "peacefully assemble" on a road.

fzeroracer 6y ago

Incorrect. Rewatch the video. You can see the protesters only start to crowd around the vehicle as he honks and attempts to push his way through the crowd. Regardless if someone is illegally in the road or not, that does not give you the right to run them over or attempt to push them out of the way with your vehicle, full stop. That would still be considered vehicular assault. Note that the other vehicles in the situation were being left alone.

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8374urhru 6y ago
Yea fuck that, I hope anyone reading realizes people like you are a common part of every protest movement and are frothing at the mouth to go after people whose only crime was not wanting to die. These road blockades have a long history of attacking drivers and should always be assumed to be violent, the movements have completely failed to police themselves and so if there's no police around assume the worst and let a jury sort it out.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Funny, considering you can read the comments on the video posted and see people almost literally frothing at the mouth wanting to run over protesters and murder people. Especially since this comes off the heels of a person literally being murdered just like that in Seattle.
  - DarthGhandi 6y ago
    That was a college educated black man driving the car on the highway in Seattle. It's clearly an accident, not premeditated murder.
    - fzeroracer 6y ago
      Wrong. Objectively wrong. There have been multiple updates on this situation. > At about 1:30 a.m. Saturday, the suspect allegedly drove into a group of protesters on a section that the WSP had closed about midnight. Mead said a car drove around a series of “support vehicles” that protesters were using to block I-5 and protect themselves, and onto the shoulder of the freeway, where protesters were standing. > “A vehicle drove through the closure and struck multiple pedestrians on the freeway,” Trooper Rick Johnson said in a tweet. [1] Actual video of the murder in question [2]. The driver was driving on the wrong side of the road, drove past multiple barricades and swerved into protesters. He hit them and then fled the scene. I'm going to assume good faith and say you were not aware of these updates. [1] https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/07/05/seattle-protester-who-was-struck-by-a-car-has-died/ https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/07/05/seattle-prot... [2] https://twitter.com/4t4r11/status/1279470869774061568?s=20 https://twitter.com/4t4r11/status/1279470869774061568?s=20
      - mythrwy 6y ago
        The Provo event didn't "come on the heels" of the vehicle plowing into protesters in Seattle. The Provo event happened June 29. The Seattle event happened early morning July 4th. And what in the links you post show poster to which you are responding is objectively wrong? At this point it appears you are disregarding facts all together and arguing from some type of religious fervor. Something like a young earth creationist. I don't mean this in an offensive fashion but just as a reality check for you.
        monocasa 6y ago
        The I-5 incident wasn't the first case. On June 7th a car was run into protesters in Seattle. And the video shows that the car was the aggressor (and yes, revving your engine like that is assault even by itself. Assault can just be a legitimate threat of violence). It also shows that the car hit protesters, which is now aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. You don't get to run people over just because they're in the street when you start from a standstill.
zo1 6y ago
That line of thinking only works if social order is maintained and the police come to intervene in the illegal road block. As we've seen in the last few years, that almost never happens and the police actively let the protestors block roads illegally. At this point, it's probably being argued as a "free speech" issue rather than a safety/law one. I.e. that "protestors" have the "right" to "peacefully assemble" on a road.