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That's not attacking a crowd. Perhaps trying to intimidate a crowd blocking the road and push his way through. After which he was shot. From the side. I serio

That's not attacking a crowd. Perhaps trying to intimidate a crowd blocking the road and push his way through. After which he was shot. From the side. I seriously can't believe someone would hint at justifying this or imply "everyone did about equally wrong".

dmurray 6y ago
This is the first I've heard of the incident but it sounds terrible. Even the original post on this matter, which sounds sympathetic to the motorist, says he "sped through the crowd, running over several individuals" - as I understand it, well before any shots were fired. How is that not really bad? Depending on intent that could be way worse than shooting him.
- mythrwy 6y ago
  He didn't "speed through the crowd" and he didn't hit anyone. Even after being shot he brakes to avoid hitting someone. The video is right there in grandparents link. I'm curious to know why you and OP would suggest things that very obviously didn't happen in the video? Is it sympathy to the cause of the protesters? What is it?
  - dmurray 6y ago
    The poster who said "sped through the crowd" seems to be sympathetic to the motorist. The poster who posted the video that you seem to think exonerates him (the flagged and downvoted post) is strongly unsympathetic to the motorist and may sympathise with the protestors. I don't have much sympathy for either...my opinion is still that this was violent behaviour from both the motorist and the protestors. Violence that would normally be bad, but is possibly excusable if, for example, you were in fear of your life. It's not really clear from the video who initiates the violence.
    - mythrwy 6y ago
      The flagged post that was attempting to justify violent and illegal behavior of shooting a motorist? Where do I suggest "exonerates"? I plainly state he was trying to intimidate the people illegally blocking the road. Which he was. By revving his engine and edging forward. That isn't even a shadow of an excuse for shooting and I'm actually horrified both you and OP would suggest that. My only question is why you would do so.
- zo1 6y ago
  Everyone needs to see this zoomed in video of the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HNbSnA036s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HNbSnA036s My interpretation is that he started being more aggressive / pushy once the gun was pointed in his direction (on the left at the start of the video). So even though the shots were "after", the gun being pointed was the first escalation. I too thought this incident was a borderline people being pushy with eachother type of deal where it unfortunately escalates, but this was clearly someone with a mask on walking up to the car with a gun pointed at it with the intent of intimidation/murder. Seeing that, I fully understand the motorist speeding away, and I probably would have done so even less-patiently.
fzeroracer 6y ago
Generally speaking, trying to force your way through a crowd with a large vehicle is a very, very fucking bad idea and at the very least is tantamount to assault. The crowd turned violent the moment he started honking his horn and you can see in the video the individual with the gun drew it as the driver started trying to push his way through the crowd. The person w/ the gun should not have escalated the situation like that, but the driver at minimum escalated things first.
- mythrwy 6y ago
  The people illegally in the road escalated the situation first. And no, that is not even close to an excuse for shooting him.
  - fzeroracer 6y ago
    Incorrect. Rewatch the video. You can see the protesters only start to crowd around the vehicle as he honks and attempts to push his way through the crowd. Regardless if someone is illegally in the road or not, that does not give you the right to run them over or attempt to push them out of the way with your vehicle, full stop. That would still be considered vehicular assault. Note that the other vehicles in the situation were being left alone.
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    - 8374urhru 6y ago
      Yea fuck that, I hope anyone reading realizes people like you are a common part of every protest movement and are frothing at the mouth to go after people whose only crime was not wanting to die. These road blockades have a long history of attacking drivers and should always be assumed to be violent, the movements have completely failed to police themselves and so if there's no police around assume the worst and let a jury sort it out.
      - 6y ago

dmurray 6y ago

This is the first I've heard of the incident but it sounds terrible. Even the original post on this matter, which sounds sympathetic to the motorist, says he "sped through the crowd, running over several individuals" - as I understand it, well before any shots were fired. How is that not really bad? Depending on intent that could be way worse than shooting him.

mythrwy 6y ago
He didn't "speed through the crowd" and he didn't hit anyone. Even after being shot he brakes to avoid hitting someone. The video is right there in grandparents link. I'm curious to know why you and OP would suggest things that very obviously didn't happen in the video? Is it sympathy to the cause of the protesters? What is it?
- dmurray 6y ago
  The poster who said "sped through the crowd" seems to be sympathetic to the motorist. The poster who posted the video that you seem to think exonerates him (the flagged and downvoted post) is strongly unsympathetic to the motorist and may sympathise with the protestors. I don't have much sympathy for either...my opinion is still that this was violent behaviour from both the motorist and the protestors. Violence that would normally be bad, but is possibly excusable if, for example, you were in fear of your life. It's not really clear from the video who initiates the violence.
  - mythrwy 6y ago
    The flagged post that was attempting to justify violent and illegal behavior of shooting a motorist? Where do I suggest "exonerates"? I plainly state he was trying to intimidate the people illegally blocking the road. Which he was. By revving his engine and edging forward. That isn't even a shadow of an excuse for shooting and I'm actually horrified both you and OP would suggest that. My only question is why you would do so.
zo1 6y ago
Everyone needs to see this zoomed in video of the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HNbSnA036s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HNbSnA036s My interpretation is that he started being more aggressive / pushy once the gun was pointed in his direction (on the left at the start of the video). So even though the shots were "after", the gun being pointed was the first escalation. I too thought this incident was a borderline people being pushy with eachother type of deal where it unfortunately escalates, but this was clearly someone with a mask on walking up to the car with a gun pointed at it with the intent of intimidation/murder. Seeing that, I fully understand the motorist speeding away, and I probably would have done so even less-patiently.

fzeroracer 6y ago

Generally speaking, trying to force your way through a crowd with a large vehicle is a very, very fucking bad idea and at the very least is tantamount to assault. The crowd turned violent the moment he started honking his horn and you can see in the video the individual with the gun drew it as the driver started trying to push his way through the crowd. The person w/ the gun should not have escalated the situation like that, but the driver at minimum escalated things first.

mythrwy 6y ago
The people illegally in the road escalated the situation first. And no, that is not even close to an excuse for shooting him.
- fzeroracer 6y ago
  Incorrect. Rewatch the video. You can see the protesters only start to crowd around the vehicle as he honks and attempts to push his way through the crowd. Regardless if someone is illegally in the road or not, that does not give you the right to run them over or attempt to push them out of the way with your vehicle, full stop. That would still be considered vehicular assault. Note that the other vehicles in the situation were being left alone.
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  - 8374urhru 6y ago
    Yea fuck that, I hope anyone reading realizes people like you are a common part of every protest movement and are frothing at the mouth to go after people whose only crime was not wanting to die. These road blockades have a long history of attacking drivers and should always be assumed to be violent, the movements have completely failed to police themselves and so if there's no police around assume the worst and let a jury sort it out.
    - 6y ago