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Calculating odds would be more interesting

by tantalor 6y ago

samdwilson 6y ago
I agree. Not sure how this helps improve poker play.
- Bnshsysjab 6y ago
  I doubt it’s supposed to, it’s to calculate who wins when writing your own poker implementation. I am not the author, but calculating the winner is non trivial.
  - exdsq 6y ago
    Is it not? The win criteria is well specified so just iterate downwards from the highest priority win until you find a match?
    - Bnshsysjab 6y ago
      Sure, but that gets complicated when comparing two matching hands (flush vs flush, 2 pair vs 2pair). It’s more than a 50 line problem to solve.
      - 40four 6y ago
        I had the same initial reaction as the other person. Should be easy right? I think you’re right though, there are probably many more steps to getting this right than it seems on the surface. I kind of want to take your 50 line challenge however :) I always loved playing poker, might be a fun exercise.
      - exdsq 6y ago
        Okay fair it’s more than 50 lines, I guess my definition of non-trivial is something you can’t quickly think of a design for. I’ll try it later and see if there’s some gotchas I can’t think of :)
- gexla 6y ago
  It doesn't. Nothing does. Good poker players should have no problem doing all this in their heads. The tooling which does help is hand analysis and replay. I haven't kept up, but there used to be tools while playing online poker which would track your play and the play of your opponents. Then I believe there were databases where you could upload that information so that you could study the play of regular opponents. Most helpful was looking at your own play though.
Bnshsysjab 6y ago
That’s relatively straight forward by calculating the entire game tree for pretty much any street after the flop (52-7)*(52-8) combos. The flop requires slightly more power to execute, but many tools do this in a small amount of time so I guess it’s feasible.
40four 6y ago
I was also expecting to see probabilities here. Does anyone know of any other similar software that does do probabilities?
abeiz 6y ago
Here's something you can use to calculate odds vs a range of hands. https://chriszieba.com/2017/11/26/holdem https://chriszieba.com/2017/11/26/holdem
ngokevin 6y ago
Did a Node library for that once...ranges, odds, hand evaluation, supports the poker hand syntaxes (e.g., QhQs, 99+, AQs+). https://github.com/ngokevin/pokery https://github.com/ngokevin/pokery

Calculating odds would be more interesting

samdwilson 6y ago

I agree. Not sure how this helps improve poker play.

Bnshsysjab 6y ago
I doubt it’s supposed to, it’s to calculate who wins when writing your own poker implementation. I am not the author, but calculating the winner is non trivial.
- exdsq 6y ago
  Is it not? The win criteria is well specified so just iterate downwards from the highest priority win until you find a match?
  - Bnshsysjab 6y ago
    Sure, but that gets complicated when comparing two matching hands (flush vs flush, 2 pair vs 2pair). It’s more than a 50 line problem to solve.
    - 40four 6y ago
      I had the same initial reaction as the other person. Should be easy right? I think you’re right though, there are probably many more steps to getting this right than it seems on the surface. I kind of want to take your 50 line challenge however :) I always loved playing poker, might be a fun exercise.
    - exdsq 6y ago
      Okay fair it’s more than 50 lines, I guess my definition of non-trivial is something you can’t quickly think of a design for. I’ll try it later and see if there’s some gotchas I can’t think of :)
gexla 6y ago
It doesn't. Nothing does. Good poker players should have no problem doing all this in their heads. The tooling which does help is hand analysis and replay. I haven't kept up, but there used to be tools while playing online poker which would track your play and the play of your opponents. Then I believe there were databases where you could upload that information so that you could study the play of regular opponents. Most helpful was looking at your own play though.

Bnshsysjab 6y ago

That’s relatively straight forward by calculating the entire game tree for pretty much any street after the flop (52-7)*(52-8) combos. The flop requires slightly more power to execute, but many tools do this in a small amount of time so I guess it’s feasible.

40four 6y ago

I was also expecting to see probabilities here. Does anyone know of any other similar software that does do probabilities?

abeiz 6y ago

Here's something you can use to calculate odds vs a range of hands. https://chriszieba.com/2017/11/26/holdem https://chriszieba.com/2017/11/26/holdem

ngokevin 6y ago

Did a Node library for that once...ranges, odds, hand evaluation, supports the poker hand syntaxes (e.g., QhQs, 99+, AQs+). https://github.com/ngokevin/pokery https://github.com/ngokevin/pokery