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It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.

by oefrha 6y ago

Aperocky 6y ago
As a bonus, the mandatory birth controls were recently expanded to ethnic minorities as they were previously exempt.
- yorwba 6y ago
  It's the other way around: rural ethnic minorities were previously allowed three children. This limit hasn't changed, but Han Chinese in rural areas are now allowed to have the same number of children.
  - Aperocky 6y ago
    Sounds like a genocide. /s
hkmaxpro 6y ago
Does China really treat ethnic majority and Uyghurs equally? > Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang > The population control measures are backed by mass detention both as a threat and as a punishment for failure to comply > But while equal on paper, in practice Han Chinese are largely spared the abortions, sterilizations, IUD insertions and detentions for having too many children that are forced on Xinjiang’s other ethnicities, interviews and data show. Some rural Muslims, like Omirzakh, are punished even for having the three children allowed by the law > Leaked data obtained and corroborated by the AP showed that of 484 camp detainees listed in Karakax county in Xinjiang, 149 were there for having too many children - the most common reason for holding them. Time in a camp — what the government calls “education and training” — for parents with too many children is written policy in at least three counties, notices found by Zenz confirmed > While fines also apply to Han Chinese, only minorities are sent to the detention camps if they cannot pay, according to interviews and data > Seven former detainees told the AP that they were force-fed birth control pills or injected with fluids, often with no explanation. Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods. After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
balola 6y ago
The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.
- oefrha 6y ago
  > loosened the limit to 2 kids per family Still a limit, and a low one at that, so doesn’t sound “desperate” at all. TFA says “I uncovered evidence that the Uighurs are subject to internment in camps if they violate birth control policies, have too many children.” Presumably too many is greater than 2, but who knows.
  - balola 6y ago
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/250650/number-of-births-in-china/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/250650/number-of-births-... The trend is clear, the limit was loosened late 2015, and it's not working coz people don't want/can't afford 2 kids. China didn't care minorities having 10 kids before, why bother now?
    - oefrha 6y ago
      > why bother now? Of course I can’t answer that question, it’s not like I’m particularly perturbed by minorities having 10 kids. (I am in general perturbed by people giving birth to many children without the means to properly support and educate them, though. This is a problem in many parts of the world.) My point is either one child policy was a genocide against the ethnic majority (which would frankly be ridiculous) or this one is not a genocide against an ethnic minority. Pretty sure whether the two occurred at the exact same time isn’t a factor in the cited definition.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  > China desperately needs more babies. No it doesn't. Countries needs to stop depending on more people and pushing the demographic challenges to the next generation.
- goatinaboat 6y ago

It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.

by oefrha 6y ago

It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.

Aperocky 6y ago

As a bonus, the mandatory birth controls were recently expanded to ethnic minorities as they were previously exempt.

yorwba 6y ago
It's the other way around: rural ethnic minorities were previously allowed three children. This limit hasn't changed, but Han Chinese in rural areas are now allowed to have the same number of children.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  Sounds like a genocide. /s

hkmaxpro 6y ago

Does China really treat ethnic majority and Uyghurs equally? > Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang > The population control measures are backed by mass detention both as a threat and as a punishment for failure to comply > But while equal on paper, in practice Han Chinese are largely spared the abortions, sterilizations, IUD insertions and detentions for having too many children that are forced on Xinjiang’s other ethnicities, interviews and data show. Some rural Muslims, like Omirzakh, are punished even for having the three children allowed by the law > Leaked data obtained and corroborated by the AP showed that of 484 camp detainees listed in Karakax county in Xinjiang, 149 were there for having too many children - the most common reason for holding them. Time in a camp — what the government calls “education and training” — for parents with too many children is written policy in at least three counties, notices found by Zenz confirmed > While fines also apply to Han Chinese, only minorities are sent to the detention camps if they cannot pay, according to interviews and data > Seven former detainees told the AP that they were force-fed birth control pills or injected with fluids, often with no explanation. Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods. After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

balola 6y ago

The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.

oefrha 6y ago
> loosened the limit to 2 kids per family Still a limit, and a low one at that, so doesn’t sound “desperate” at all. TFA says “I uncovered evidence that the Uighurs are subject to internment in camps if they violate birth control policies, have too many children.” Presumably too many is greater than 2, but who knows.
- balola 6y ago
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/250650/number-of-births-in-china/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/250650/number-of-births-... The trend is clear, the limit was loosened late 2015, and it's not working coz people don't want/can't afford 2 kids. China didn't care minorities having 10 kids before, why bother now?
  - oefrha 6y ago
    > why bother now? Of course I can’t answer that question, it’s not like I’m particularly perturbed by minorities having 10 kids. (I am in general perturbed by people giving birth to many children without the means to properly support and educate them, though. This is a problem in many parts of the world.) My point is either one child policy was a genocide against the ethnic majority (which would frankly be ridiculous) or this one is not a genocide against an ethnic minority. Pretty sure whether the two occurred at the exact same time isn’t a factor in the cited definition.
Aperocky 6y ago
> China desperately needs more babies. No it doesn't. Countries needs to stop depending on more people and pushing the demographic challenges to the next generation.
goatinaboat 6y ago