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>The world has many problems, but lack of military dictatorships controlled by a communist party is not one of them. // There's N.Korea, but that's not control

>The world has many problems, but lack of military dictatorships controlled by a communist party is not one of them. // There's N.Korea, but that's not controlled by a communist party. It's notionally controlled by people who call themselves Communist, but they don't appear to do anything ideologically communist. World politics isn't my strong point, where did you have in mind? I note that your structure was "in capitalism, {capitalist ideological outcome, those with capital own the means of production and leech off the value of others labour}; in socialism, {activity directly opposed to socialist ideology}". I'd say 99%, at least, of companies are run under capitalist ideology; to accrue wealth for the owners. So why blame socialism for the upshot of capitalist activity.

antepodius 6y ago
Capitalism's a loaded word. Most people who would call themselves pro-free market aren't in favour of rent-seeking monopolies, just like how most people who would call themselves socialists aren't in favour of putting dissidents in gulags.
082349872349872 6y ago
I have no idea if https://dprktoday.com https://dprktoday.com truly is[1] DPRK or someone else's black propaganda (nor do I read korean) but the pictures on it are congruent with those from former communist countries. New factory, with athletic courts (and maybe a stage/multipurpose hall?) for the workers: https://dprktoday.com/content/great/4/sajin/image/2020-05-02/img/13.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content/great/4/sajin/image/2020-05-02... Kids wearing red kerchiefs in botanic: https://dprktoday.com/photos/18301 https://dprktoday.com/photos/18301 Inspecting big industrial things: https://dprktoday.com/photos/18390 https://dprktoday.com/photos/18390 Party meetings (other pics show voting by holding up cards, but the colours don't seem very distinct to me): https://dprktoday.com/photos/15113 https://dprktoday.com/photos/15113 Ski resorts: https://dprktoday.com/news/43327 https://dprktoday.com/news/43327 Doctor's outfit, multi-ethnic star: https://dprktoday.com/photos/18257 https://dprktoday.com/photos/18257 Rods instead of chains on swing sets: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-03-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-03-1.jpg Makeup only in demure colours: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-01-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-01-2.jpg Apartment blocks: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-01-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-01-1.jpg Karaoke (was this actually soviet, or only post-soviet?): https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200418-01-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200418-01-2.jpg Comrades painting: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200502-02-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200502-02-2.jpg Gender-balanced propaganda statues: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200421-pt18041-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200421-pt18041-1... "75 years victory"?: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-pt17942-3.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-pt17942-3... [1] traceroute is useless these days, and its whois registrar appears to be chinese. Bonus /r/fullcommunism: "let's study" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBcC-sK3wQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBcC-sK3wQ Unless they're trolling hard with the english subs, the chorus is about studying for a better future. I know grades were important for early selection in the Young Pioneers, but can't immediately think of such a swotty song in the soviet catalogue (choreography and backing band, however, is spot on). Closest I manage at the moment is the educational background of the main characters in the movie "Three Plus Two."
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If it's "DPRK is communist", you're not really doing that because nothing you mentioned has anything to do with communism.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    I'm not trying to say "DPRK is communist", especially because I believe the Warsaw Pact countries considered themselves to be socialist, on the way to communism. What I am trying to say is that, of things that strike me as having been different between western and eastern europe in photographed culture, today's DPRK shows the same differences. So I'd consider it firmly in the "second world", insofar as that old cold war trichotomy makes any sense in the twenty-first century. For instance, I consider "Девушки фабричные" to have been a soviet trope (an image search reveals factory girls existed in the west as well, but don't seem to have been so frequently propagandised) and sure enough, here they are in the DPRK, even clasically at textile machines: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200309-pt17906-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200309-pt17906-1... https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200112-pt17518-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200112-pt17518-2... (among the machines I spotted on the site is a mask-making machine. Covid is a common denominator this year.)
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antepodius 6y ago

Capitalism's a loaded word. Most people who would call themselves pro-free market aren't in favour of rent-seeking monopolies, just like how most people who would call themselves socialists aren't in favour of putting dissidents in gulags.

082349872349872 6y ago

I have no idea if https://dprktoday.com https://dprktoday.com truly is[1] DPRK or someone else's black propaganda (nor do I read korean) but the pictures on it are congruent with those from former communist countries. New factory, with athletic courts (and maybe a stage/multipurpose hall?) for the workers: https://dprktoday.com/content/great/4/sajin/image/2020-05-02/img/13.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content/great/4/sajin/image/2020-05-02... Kids wearing red kerchiefs in botanic: https://dprktoday.com/photos/18301 https://dprktoday.com/photos/18301 Inspecting big industrial things: https://dprktoday.com/photos/18390 https://dprktoday.com/photos/18390 Party meetings (other pics show voting by holding up cards, but the colours don't seem very distinct to me): https://dprktoday.com/photos/15113 https://dprktoday.com/photos/15113 Ski resorts: https://dprktoday.com/news/43327 https://dprktoday.com/news/43327 Doctor's outfit, multi-ethnic star: https://dprktoday.com/photos/18257 https://dprktoday.com/photos/18257 Rods instead of chains on swing sets: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-03-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-03-1.jpg Makeup only in demure colours: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-01-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200527-01-2.jpg Apartment blocks: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-01-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-01-1.jpg Karaoke (was this actually soviet, or only post-soviet?): https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200418-01-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200418-01-2.jpg Comrades painting: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200502-02-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200502-02-2.jpg Gender-balanced propaganda statues: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200421-pt18041-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200421-pt18041-1... "75 years victory"?: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-pt17942-3.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200318-pt17942-3... [1] traceroute is useless these days, and its whois registrar appears to be chinese. Bonus /r/fullcommunism: "let's study" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBcC-sK3wQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBcC-sK3wQ Unless they're trolling hard with the english subs, the chorus is about studying for a better future. I know grades were important for early selection in the Young Pioneers, but can't immediately think of such a swotty song in the soviet catalogue (choreography and backing band, however, is spot on). Closest I manage at the moment is the educational background of the main characters in the movie "Three Plus Two."

saagarjha 6y ago
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If it's "DPRK is communist", you're not really doing that because nothing you mentioned has anything to do with communism.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  I'm not trying to say "DPRK is communist", especially because I believe the Warsaw Pact countries considered themselves to be socialist, on the way to communism. What I am trying to say is that, of things that strike me as having been different between western and eastern europe in photographed culture, today's DPRK shows the same differences. So I'd consider it firmly in the "second world", insofar as that old cold war trichotomy makes any sense in the twenty-first century. For instance, I consider "Девушки фабричные" to have been a soviet trope (an image search reveals factory girls existed in the west as well, but don't seem to have been so frequently propagandised) and sure enough, here they are in the DPRK, even clasically at textile machines: https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200309-pt17906-1.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200309-pt17906-1... https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200112-pt17518-2.jpg https://dprktoday.com/content//photo/2020/20200112-pt17518-2... (among the machines I spotted on the site is a mask-making machine. Covid is a common denominator this year.)

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