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I am mostly with you. It should be a subset of http. And the content should be a subset of html/css/js --- but the schema ought to have a different prefix. So i

I am mostly with you. It should be a subset of http. And the content should be a subset of html/css/js --- but the schema ought to have a different prefix. So if I navigate to acc://example.com, Mom-and-Pop browser would perform the same steps that Big Browser would take to fetch http://example.com http://example.com This allows hyperlinking to the accessible version of a page, and using different default browsers for the different protocols, so that I (as someone who wants to use Mom-and-Pop browser) can easily fall back to Big Browser when necessary to view a page that won't render over accs://

oefrha 6y ago
You basically just invented WAP 2.0.
- peteyboy 6y ago
  ...or more specifically, re-implemented http 0.9 but with TLS. What here is wrong?
- smichel17 6y ago
  I knew this was a thing, in the context of mms, but didn't know the name, so thanks for that.
petra 6y ago
But breaking compatibility will make it harder for regular users to read that content. What about using something like https://gemini.site.com https://gemini.site.com ? And part of that restricted spec would allow linking only to such links, to stay within the network ? And the biggest challenge with Gemini is creating a great search engine. But now , searching site:gemini.* KEYWORD , gives us the power of Google and other search engines.
- vertex-four 6y ago
  > And part of that restricted spec would allow linking only to such links, to stay within the network ? Doesn't work over time. You link somewhere, the other site owner a month later decides they want to use Google Analytics, now you're linking your readers back to the web they're trying to avoid. > And the biggest challenge with Gemini is creating a great search engine. Not really, it's discovery in general, which can be solved in many ways that don't involve search engines; Wikipedia's references are often a good discovery tool, for example. I use aggregators to find Gemini content and follow discussions which are happening across the space.
  - Wowfunhappy 6y ago
    Yeah, so what you really need is a browser that only supports your subset. It’ll ensure that whatever sites you view are fast/safe/whatever, but Gemini sites you make will be equally accessible to users of “legacy” browsers.
    - vertex-four 6y ago
      Except that then 99% of people reading your page will be using Firefox, so it's not that big of a deal to just say fuck it and not do this whole SafeHTML thing any more when you want that one extra feature in a year. The 1% of readers who cared are just a minority. The entire purpose here is to build a community of people who care about this sort of thing, who write content for that community, where taking your content away from that community is not an easy decision of adding a <script> or <style> tag.
      - petra 6y ago
        Missing 99% of your potential readers is a big problem, though. Maybe there's another way? For example, Gemini could only link through a centralized link management server, and that link server will verify links to be "clean" , and if a link isn't clean it will become dead ? Of course, that depends whether said link gets most of his traffic from within Gemini or outside. Hmm...
        vertex-four 6y ago
        I spend most of my time in small spaces - 100 people, max, of who about 10 might be around at any given time. I'm not worried that people are going to miss what I have to say, because I'm talking to the people who are there. The people who aren't might as well be irrelevant. Have you ever spent any time in small communities? It's lovely to just... not have to care about gaining followers or making arbitrary counters go up or whatever it is people do, and just talk/create for the sake of it. There's no "brand" to care about.
        6y ago
- acdw 6y ago
  Actually, gemini://gus.guru is a great search engine in gemini. And there's another one, gemini://houston.coder.town.

oefrha 6y ago

You basically just invented WAP 2.0.

peteyboy 6y ago
...or more specifically, re-implemented http 0.9 but with TLS. What here is wrong?
smichel17 6y ago
I knew this was a thing, in the context of mms, but didn't know the name, so thanks for that.

petra 6y ago

But breaking compatibility will make it harder for regular users to read that content. What about using something like https://gemini.site.com https://gemini.site.com ? And part of that restricted spec would allow linking only to such links, to stay within the network ? And the biggest challenge with Gemini is creating a great search engine. But now , searching site:gemini.* KEYWORD , gives us the power of Google and other search engines.

vertex-four 6y ago
> And part of that restricted spec would allow linking only to such links, to stay within the network ? Doesn't work over time. You link somewhere, the other site owner a month later decides they want to use Google Analytics, now you're linking your readers back to the web they're trying to avoid. > And the biggest challenge with Gemini is creating a great search engine. Not really, it's discovery in general, which can be solved in many ways that don't involve search engines; Wikipedia's references are often a good discovery tool, for example. I use aggregators to find Gemini content and follow discussions which are happening across the space.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Yeah, so what you really need is a browser that only supports your subset. It’ll ensure that whatever sites you view are fast/safe/whatever, but Gemini sites you make will be equally accessible to users of “legacy” browsers.
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    Except that then 99% of people reading your page will be using Firefox, so it's not that big of a deal to just say fuck it and not do this whole SafeHTML thing any more when you want that one extra feature in a year. The 1% of readers who cared are just a minority. The entire purpose here is to build a community of people who care about this sort of thing, who write content for that community, where taking your content away from that community is not an easy decision of adding a <script> or <style> tag.
    - petra 6y ago
      Missing 99% of your potential readers is a big problem, though. Maybe there's another way? For example, Gemini could only link through a centralized link management server, and that link server will verify links to be "clean" , and if a link isn't clean it will become dead ? Of course, that depends whether said link gets most of his traffic from within Gemini or outside. Hmm...
      - vertex-four 6y ago
        I spend most of my time in small spaces - 100 people, max, of who about 10 might be around at any given time. I'm not worried that people are going to miss what I have to say, because I'm talking to the people who are there. The people who aren't might as well be irrelevant. Have you ever spent any time in small communities? It's lovely to just... not have to care about gaining followers or making arbitrary counters go up or whatever it is people do, and just talk/create for the sake of it. There's no "brand" to care about.
        6y ago
acdw 6y ago
Actually, gemini://gus.guru is a great search engine in gemini. And there's another one, gemini://houston.coder.town.