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This is also a great of example of how really smart people with deep knowledge in one domain can totally fail real-world skills. Anyone who cooks a lot has a g

This is also a great of example of how really smart people with deep knowledge in one domain can totally fail real-world skills. Anyone who cooks a lot has a gut feel for how different foods increase in volume when baked (breads, like popovers), fried (crispy rice noodles), fluffed (rice) or sifted (macrons!), even if they don't understand packing volumes or programming... Experience actually does matter.

k2enemy 6y ago
I don't think the author was expressing surprise that quinoa expands in volume when cooked, but rather at the fun reason why this is the case.
scotty79 6y ago
I think OP approach is very interesting. It's not surprising that particles of food grow as they absorb water. What OP made me realize is that not only particles grow but gaps between them grow too which makes portion of food increase in volume even more.
gowld 6y ago
You gave 4 examples, none of which correspond to the problem in the OP which OP didn't fail in any way.
perl4ever 6y ago
>This is also a great of example of how really smart people with deep knowledge in one domain can totally fail real-world skills. This is a common sentiment, but what I think isn't so common is to observe that the "real world" is a euphemism for domains where people do not share and preserve accurate information in an easily digestible fashion. It's not really more "real", it's defined in my opinion by being more hostile to copying as mis/disinformation protects social roles. My opinion is foremost in my mind from spending a lot of time practicing cooking rice, browning meat, and working on my car since "social distancing" has been a thing.
- bhntr3 6y ago
  If you're curious enough to read a 900 page book containing very accurate information about the specific processes that occur when preparing most foods then On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee[0] is the book for you. It's not for everyone but I give you my guarantee as an internet stranger that you'll love it. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Science-Lore-Kitchen/dp/0684800012 https://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Science-Lore-Kitchen/dp/...
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    Thanks, I may. I have "Ratio: The Simple Codes Behind the Craft of Everyday Cooking" and was unimpressed. The idea of thinking in ratios is useful, but not the oversimplification to a few prototypes. You could look at a recipe as something with a whole bunch of ratios and valid ranges, and document the effects of variation and so on. It would be a much bigger book and not "this little volume contains all the secrets to everything". Edit: by the way, what is with the Amazon pricing? Hardcover is $25; "mass market paperback", new is $901! Not to mention, the featured hardcover price is noticeably more than the specific new hardcover price of $20.
    - pacaro 6y ago
      I wasn't quite as unimpressed with ratio as you seem to have been, but I do think that there is really enough information there for a pamphlet not a complete book. Being able to think of doughs and batters as a state-space of flour/fat/liquid is conceptually useful. In general you might pick up on this from experience cooking, but it's rarely elucidated.
    - atombender 6y ago
      Amazon sellers use a lot of automated bots which automatically adjust their prices in apparent competition with each other [1]. You can find used copies of rare books that are priced at thousands of dollars. In this particular case, you're looking at a Chinese edition, which is presumably out of print. On Food and Cooking is a fantastic book, by the way. A real classic that every food enthusiast should have on their shelf. I recommend the hardcover version. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/technology/amazon-used-paperback-book-pricing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/technology/amazon-used-pa...
OmarShehata 6y ago
I initially found this curious too - of course the quinoa increases in volume, why am I reading a blog on this? But if the quinoa absorbed all the water you'd get 3 cups total, not 4, so where is the extra volume coming from? (In this case the theory is gaps of air).
- uj8efdkjfdshf 6y ago
  The 1 cup of quinoa that you added to the start contributes the final missing cup (its packing ratio does not change much, it's just the water that changes its packing ratio).
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    It's 1 cup quinoa, 2 cups water, making 4 cups boiled quinoa. So there must be something else going on besides just mechanical absorption.
  - bonzini 6y ago
    No, the difference is that at the beginning there is water between the packed dry quinoa grains, while at the end there is air between the packed cooked quinoa grains. That air is the missing cup.
    - bonzini 6y ago
      Actually that can't work, the cup of quinoa has air between balls as well. It does have less air because the volume of the balls increases, but the math has to be done from scratch.

k2enemy 6y ago

I don't think the author was expressing surprise that quinoa expands in volume when cooked, but rather at the fun reason why this is the case.

scotty79 6y ago

I think OP approach is very interesting. It's not surprising that particles of food grow as they absorb water. What OP made me realize is that not only particles grow but gaps between them grow too which makes portion of food increase in volume even more.

gowld 6y ago

You gave 4 examples, none of which correspond to the problem in the OP which OP didn't fail in any way.

perl4ever 6y ago

>This is also a great of example of how really smart people with deep knowledge in one domain can totally fail real-world skills. This is a common sentiment, but what I think isn't so common is to observe that the "real world" is a euphemism for domains where people do not share and preserve accurate information in an easily digestible fashion. It's not really more "real", it's defined in my opinion by being more hostile to copying as mis/disinformation protects social roles. My opinion is foremost in my mind from spending a lot of time practicing cooking rice, browning meat, and working on my car since "social distancing" has been a thing.

bhntr3 6y ago
If you're curious enough to read a 900 page book containing very accurate information about the specific processes that occur when preparing most foods then On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee[0] is the book for you. It's not for everyone but I give you my guarantee as an internet stranger that you'll love it. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Science-Lore-Kitchen/dp/0684800012 https://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Science-Lore-Kitchen/dp/...
- perl4ever 6y ago
  Thanks, I may. I have "Ratio: The Simple Codes Behind the Craft of Everyday Cooking" and was unimpressed. The idea of thinking in ratios is useful, but not the oversimplification to a few prototypes. You could look at a recipe as something with a whole bunch of ratios and valid ranges, and document the effects of variation and so on. It would be a much bigger book and not "this little volume contains all the secrets to everything". Edit: by the way, what is with the Amazon pricing? Hardcover is $25; "mass market paperback", new is $901! Not to mention, the featured hardcover price is noticeably more than the specific new hardcover price of $20.
  - pacaro 6y ago
    I wasn't quite as unimpressed with ratio as you seem to have been, but I do think that there is really enough information there for a pamphlet not a complete book. Being able to think of doughs and batters as a state-space of flour/fat/liquid is conceptually useful. In general you might pick up on this from experience cooking, but it's rarely elucidated.
  - atombender 6y ago
    Amazon sellers use a lot of automated bots which automatically adjust their prices in apparent competition with each other [1]. You can find used copies of rare books that are priced at thousands of dollars. In this particular case, you're looking at a Chinese edition, which is presumably out of print. On Food and Cooking is a fantastic book, by the way. A real classic that every food enthusiast should have on their shelf. I recommend the hardcover version. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/technology/amazon-used-paperback-book-pricing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/technology/amazon-used-pa...

OmarShehata 6y ago

I initially found this curious too - of course the quinoa increases in volume, why am I reading a blog on this? But if the quinoa absorbed all the water you'd get 3 cups total, not 4, so where is the extra volume coming from? (In this case the theory is gaps of air).

uj8efdkjfdshf 6y ago
The 1 cup of quinoa that you added to the start contributes the final missing cup (its packing ratio does not change much, it's just the water that changes its packing ratio).
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  It's 1 cup quinoa, 2 cups water, making 4 cups boiled quinoa. So there must be something else going on besides just mechanical absorption.
- bonzini 6y ago
  No, the difference is that at the beginning there is water between the packed dry quinoa grains, while at the end there is air between the packed cooked quinoa grains. That air is the missing cup.
  - bonzini 6y ago
    Actually that can't work, the cup of quinoa has air between balls as well. It does have less air because the volume of the balls increases, but the math has to be done from scratch.