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> Not only can I not find files when Finder doesn't use folders (...) Huh? Do you mean things like iPhoto that bundle photos?

by tvon 16y ago

joe_the_user 16y ago
I really don't understand how current finder works, having used it a dozen times. Whatever it does, doesn't seem to involve separate folders. Seems Prima facie evidence of lack of usability since I have been able to reasonably easily understand Windows, Linux and the older Macintosh finder-thing. And yes, iPhotos seem to be a problem. I watched a friend spend three hours trying to find some photos they'd previous loaded in iPhoto.
- weaksauce 16y ago
  A right click in most programs on a "file" will reveal an option that is along the lines of reveal "filename" in finder. iPhoto does this. I don't know if I understand what finder is doing different than say windows explorer or konqueror in linux. when you click on finder it opens a new file browser that has the typical list and icon view as well as some quicklook view that I don't like much and a nested list view where each column is a different folder. It seems pretty similar to windows in my opinion. (not that it's all peaches, I would really like to have a file cut and paste option instead of only copy but I digress) edit: Looking at your higher up comment I guess you are talking about the isuite of programs that aggregate all your files and handle them internally? even that is a folder on your hard drive(~/usrname/Pictures/iPhoto Library is still a folder just right click on it to select show package contents and you can get to all your files or just open iPhoto and right click on a picture you want to locate and select reveal in finder) though and it's less of a function of finder and more of a function of the iphoto itunes etc.
  - tvon 16y ago
    Are you sure iPhoto still has a 'reveal in finder' option? I"m not seeing it... Though I don't know why you'd need it with iPhoto since you can just DnD photos out to the desktop (or wherever) if you want to work on them.
    - weaksauce 16y ago
      It had it the last time I looked but I use picasa now. I guess it's part of the file menu now... http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2639319&tstart=180 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2639319&#3...
    - masklinn 16y ago
      > Are you sure iPhoto still has a 'reveal in finder' option? I"m not seeing it... Right click on a photo in iPhoto, then click on "Show File". edit: ah crap I forgot a new iPhoto had been released and you're probably talking about '11, not '09. Ignore this comment.
  - joe_the_user 16y ago
    - In the case of iPhoto, I remember the program automatically copying the files from a camera to some folder deep within the hard drive and then giving not a clue later as to which folder that was and certainly not allowing any exploration between folders... - Don't you find "a right click" with a one-button mouse a bit tricky? I did try it but somehow it wasn't happening... maybe that's where things went South. - Plus, being a geek, I always can do what I need to do. I'm not really looking for solutions here. My main argument is that despite a reputation for usability, OS X seems to me to lack practical usability and to instead mostly coast on good and reputation.
    - masklinn 16y ago
      > I remember the program automatically copying the files from a camera to some folder deep within the hard drive and then giving not a clue later as to which folder that was and certainly not allowing any exploration between folders... Well the fundamental idea behind iPhoto is: why would you care where it put your files at all? * If you want to see or edit your pictures, you can do so via iPhoto (or iPhoto-compatible image manipulation) * If you want to mail or export pictures, iPhoto has "Share" and "Export" options * If you want to open one of your pictures in a third-party software, OSX's standard file picker has a "media" section which gives you a special iPhoto file picker (which works extremely well, it can even search through all your tags and faces) All the iLife apps (iMovie and GarageBand, mostly) work this way. So does iTunes. > Don't you find "right click" with one-button mouse a bit tricky? Control-click. And every mac that has shipped in the last 3 or 4 years can right click.
      - telemachos 16y ago
        > Well the fundamental idea behind iPhoto is: why would you care where it put your files at all? As you say, it's not just iPhoto - it's a big part of the iVillage. Certainly some people - not just geeks - like this approach, but I find it patronizing ("Don't worry your pretty little head about where we store the files.") and authoritarian ("You may not delete the Pictures folder from your home folder or give it an alternative name.") all at the same time. Long story short, I shouldn't have to open an application to grab one file. I should be able to use the file explorer. Apple seems to go out of its way to make that harder for me.
- masklinn 16y ago
  > Whatever it does, doesn't seem to involve separate folders. Sure does, it overlays a standard Unix filesystem with some OSX-specific features (hides "system" folders such as /bin or /tmp, displays "bundles" as files).
- jsz0 16y ago
  I'm really confused about what you mean. OSX's Finder hasn't changed much in years. This is actually a big complaint of the OSX user community. They want it to change more. Finder in 10.6, even 10.7, is really not much different than Finder from OSX 10.1 though quite a lot different than Finder from Classic.

> Not only can I not find files when Finder doesn't use folders (...) Huh? Do you mean things like iPhoto that bundle photos?

by tvon 16y ago

> Not only can I not find files when Finder doesn't use folders (...) Huh? Do you mean things like iPhoto that bundle photos?

joe_the_user 16y ago

I really don't understand how current finder works, having used it a dozen times. Whatever it does, doesn't seem to involve separate folders. Seems Prima facie evidence of lack of usability since I have been able to reasonably easily understand Windows, Linux and the older Macintosh finder-thing. And yes, iPhotos seem to be a problem. I watched a friend spend three hours trying to find some photos they'd previous loaded in iPhoto.

weaksauce 16y ago
A right click in most programs on a "file" will reveal an option that is along the lines of reveal "filename" in finder. iPhoto does this. I don't know if I understand what finder is doing different than say windows explorer or konqueror in linux. when you click on finder it opens a new file browser that has the typical list and icon view as well as some quicklook view that I don't like much and a nested list view where each column is a different folder. It seems pretty similar to windows in my opinion. (not that it's all peaches, I would really like to have a file cut and paste option instead of only copy but I digress) edit: Looking at your higher up comment I guess you are talking about the isuite of programs that aggregate all your files and handle them internally? even that is a folder on your hard drive(~/usrname/Pictures/iPhoto Library is still a folder just right click on it to select show package contents and you can get to all your files or just open iPhoto and right click on a picture you want to locate and select reveal in finder) though and it's less of a function of finder and more of a function of the iphoto itunes etc.
- tvon 16y ago
  Are you sure iPhoto still has a 'reveal in finder' option? I"m not seeing it... Though I don't know why you'd need it with iPhoto since you can just DnD photos out to the desktop (or wherever) if you want to work on them.
  - weaksauce 16y ago
    It had it the last time I looked but I use picasa now. I guess it's part of the file menu now... http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2639319&tstart=180 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2639319&#3...
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > Are you sure iPhoto still has a 'reveal in finder' option? I"m not seeing it... Right click on a photo in iPhoto, then click on "Show File". edit: ah crap I forgot a new iPhoto had been released and you're probably talking about '11, not '09. Ignore this comment.
- joe_the_user 16y ago
  - In the case of iPhoto, I remember the program automatically copying the files from a camera to some folder deep within the hard drive and then giving not a clue later as to which folder that was and certainly not allowing any exploration between folders... - Don't you find "a right click" with a one-button mouse a bit tricky? I did try it but somehow it wasn't happening... maybe that's where things went South. - Plus, being a geek, I always can do what I need to do. I'm not really looking for solutions here. My main argument is that despite a reputation for usability, OS X seems to me to lack practical usability and to instead mostly coast on good and reputation.
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > I remember the program automatically copying the files from a camera to some folder deep within the hard drive and then giving not a clue later as to which folder that was and certainly not allowing any exploration between folders... Well the fundamental idea behind iPhoto is: why would you care where it put your files at all? * If you want to see or edit your pictures, you can do so via iPhoto (or iPhoto-compatible image manipulation) * If you want to mail or export pictures, iPhoto has "Share" and "Export" options * If you want to open one of your pictures in a third-party software, OSX's standard file picker has a "media" section which gives you a special iPhoto file picker (which works extremely well, it can even search through all your tags and faces) All the iLife apps (iMovie and GarageBand, mostly) work this way. So does iTunes. > Don't you find "right click" with one-button mouse a bit tricky? Control-click. And every mac that has shipped in the last 3 or 4 years can right click.
    - telemachos 16y ago
      > Well the fundamental idea behind iPhoto is: why would you care where it put your files at all? As you say, it's not just iPhoto - it's a big part of the iVillage. Certainly some people - not just geeks - like this approach, but I find it patronizing ("Don't worry your pretty little head about where we store the files.") and authoritarian ("You may not delete the Pictures folder from your home folder or give it an alternative name.") all at the same time. Long story short, I shouldn't have to open an application to grab one file. I should be able to use the file explorer. Apple seems to go out of its way to make that harder for me.
masklinn 16y ago
> Whatever it does, doesn't seem to involve separate folders. Sure does, it overlays a standard Unix filesystem with some OSX-specific features (hides "system" folders such as /bin or /tmp, displays "bundles" as files).
jsz0 16y ago
I'm really confused about what you mean. OSX's Finder hasn't changed much in years. This is actually a big complaint of the OSX user community. They want it to change more. Finder in 10.6, even 10.7, is really not much different than Finder from OSX 10.1 though quite a lot different than Finder from Classic.