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"The actual fear should be from people who don't wear masks" I don't understand this. The actual fear should be any form of scientific misinformation. Eventual

by timr 6y ago

"The actual fear should be from people who don't wear masks" I don't understand this. The actual fear should be any form of scientific misinformation. Eventually, the truth will be known, and if "scientists" are deemed to be advocating for policies that aren't supported by science, it will hurt science in the long run. On top of this, there is decent reason to believe that there's a down-side to mask laws: too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask, when the evidence simply doesn't support it.

BolexNOLA 6y ago
>On top of this, there is decent reason to believe that there's a down-side to mask laws: too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask, when the evidence simply doesn't support it. I have seen this repeated many times but have not seen any evidence that really supports it. It just sounds like a common behavior. I would imagine the cross-section of people who are already going to act like it wasn’t a big deal and people who wear a mask that act like it’s not a big deal is already substantial. And while I also don’t have any data, I think it is as common sense as the other assumption and thus illustrates my point.
- noodlesUK 6y ago
  Anecdotally, people give you a fair bit more space when you’re wearing a mask and clearly taking precautions than if you aren’t. I’d argue that in the current political climate, mask wearing might actually improve distancing measures. The people who aren’t wearing masks just don’t seem to give a shit. It’s a social signal about if you care about covid these days. I’m saddened that we can’t just make tonnes of melt blown and make n95s (that imo are more comfortable than normal masks cause they aren’t touching your lips) for anyone who wants them.
  - runnr_az 6y ago
    For what it’s worth, thus seems correct in my experience. I expected people to just throw on masks and behave “normally,” but the opposite seems to have happened - it serves as a reminder of the seriousness of the situation.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Also an anecdote, but I know many people IRL who have said "The reason we should be able to open back up is everyone knows to wear a mask now." That doesn't mean people shouldn't wear masks, but... it's definitely the wrong takeaway.
watwut 6y ago
> On top of this, there is decent reason to believe that there's a down-side to mask laws: too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask, when the evidence simply doesn't support it. But you are just making that one up. You don't have studies showing people wearing masks taking more risk than non-masks wearing people. Also, the scientists talk about effectiveness of masks it is not like I had seen a single one claiming it is perfect. This whole argument is just being manipulative. Trying to pretend it is all about science and precision, when it is nothing like that.
- BolexNOLA 6y ago
  It’s classic “it sounds right” nonsense
perl4ever 6y ago
> too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask I don't know how most people are thinking, but it's a pretty wide spread idea that masks (apart from the ones used in health care settings) are more for protecting others from you, than you from others. If people are thinking like this then it seems logical seeing someone with a mask would remind them that the asymptomatic can be a threat and encourage distancing. On the other hand, if most people are wearing masks then the few who don't stand out as abnormal, and so others might be wary of them too. I guess your generalization might be applicable to some states/cities more than others; under current circumstances, I think most people are not seeing what it's like in other places first hand.

by timr 6y ago

BolexNOLA 6y ago

>On top of this, there is decent reason to believe that there's a down-side to mask laws: too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask, when the evidence simply doesn't support it. I have seen this repeated many times but have not seen any evidence that really supports it. It just sounds like a common behavior. I would imagine the cross-section of people who are already going to act like it wasn’t a big deal and people who wear a mask that act like it’s not a big deal is already substantial. And while I also don’t have any data, I think it is as common sense as the other assumption and thus illustrates my point.

noodlesUK 6y ago
Anecdotally, people give you a fair bit more space when you’re wearing a mask and clearly taking precautions than if you aren’t. I’d argue that in the current political climate, mask wearing might actually improve distancing measures. The people who aren’t wearing masks just don’t seem to give a shit. It’s a social signal about if you care about covid these days. I’m saddened that we can’t just make tonnes of melt blown and make n95s (that imo are more comfortable than normal masks cause they aren’t touching your lips) for anyone who wants them.
- runnr_az 6y ago
  For what it’s worth, thus seems correct in my experience. I expected people to just throw on masks and behave “normally,” but the opposite seems to have happened - it serves as a reminder of the seriousness of the situation.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
Also an anecdote, but I know many people IRL who have said "The reason we should be able to open back up is everyone knows to wear a mask now." That doesn't mean people shouldn't wear masks, but... it's definitely the wrong takeaway.

watwut 6y ago

> On top of this, there is decent reason to believe that there's a down-side to mask laws: too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask, when the evidence simply doesn't support it. But you are just making that one up. You don't have studies showing people wearing masks taking more risk than non-masks wearing people. Also, the scientists talk about effectiveness of masks it is not like I had seen a single one claiming it is perfect. This whole argument is just being manipulative. Trying to pretend it is all about science and precision, when it is nothing like that.

BolexNOLA 6y ago
It’s classic “it sounds right” nonsense

perl4ever 6y ago

> too many people think that they can behave normally if they're wearing a mask I don't know how most people are thinking, but it's a pretty wide spread idea that masks (apart from the ones used in health care settings) are more for protecting others from you, than you from others. If people are thinking like this then it seems logical seeing someone with a mask would remind them that the asymptomatic can be a threat and encourage distancing. On the other hand, if most people are wearing masks then the few who don't stand out as abnormal, and so others might be wary of them too. I guess your generalization might be applicable to some states/cities more than others; under current circumstances, I think most people are not seeing what it's like in other places first hand.