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Most logical and somehow most controversial way is to stop human population growth. All big problems - pollution, deforestation, climate change are caused by h

Most logical and somehow most controversial way is to stop human population growth. All big problems - pollution, deforestation, climate change are caused by having too many people on this planet.

williamdclt 6y ago
I don't see how it is "most logical". It seems more logical to me for humans to stop destroying our ecosystem than it is to limit the number of humans that destroy. Probably the answer is "both" anyway, but even if we divided the number of humans by 2, our impact on the ecosystem would still be crazy high (assuming the impact decreases linearly, which is probably not the case)
- coolspot 6y ago
  On current level of average quality of life in the US one can’t stop destroying ecosystem. Each person in US needs a home. Heat, water, electricity and waste disposal for that home. A phone, likely a vehicle. Fresh food - a lot. QoL levels are rising worldwide, so eventually each human on earth will demand all of these things. You can’t consume significantly less (not 10x less). To achieve that you would need to became a caveman again.
sitkack 6y ago
Impact per person is still high. We could have a million people on the planet, but if they consume the same as 5 thousand people each, there is no difference. The farmer in Bangladesh isn't the problem.
- coolspot 6y ago
  The farmer in Bangladesh takes wast amount of land from wild animals and trees, puts a lot of water and chemicals in the soil, fights “pests”. Don’t underestimate impact of one farmer, especially in a country with millions of farmers.
- blablabla123 6y ago
  There's definitely the need for some 10x change here. Reducing CO2 output or plastic trash by 30% might of course help a lot but to actually solve things, these numbers need to be reduced by 99% or so. People manage to hyperoptimize everything when it comes to production lines, logistics or finance. I think this is also the ultimate reason why the environment must become strongly coupled with the finance system.

Most logical and somehow most controversial way is to stop human population growth. All big problems - pollution, deforestation, climate change are caused by having too many people on this planet.

williamdclt 6y ago

I don't see how it is "most logical". It seems more logical to me for humans to stop destroying our ecosystem than it is to limit the number of humans that destroy. Probably the answer is "both" anyway, but even if we divided the number of humans by 2, our impact on the ecosystem would still be crazy high (assuming the impact decreases linearly, which is probably not the case)

coolspot 6y ago
On current level of average quality of life in the US one can’t stop destroying ecosystem. Each person in US needs a home. Heat, water, electricity and waste disposal for that home. A phone, likely a vehicle. Fresh food - a lot. QoL levels are rising worldwide, so eventually each human on earth will demand all of these things. You can’t consume significantly less (not 10x less). To achieve that you would need to became a caveman again.

sitkack 6y ago

Impact per person is still high. We could have a million people on the planet, but if they consume the same as 5 thousand people each, there is no difference. The farmer in Bangladesh isn't the problem.

coolspot 6y ago
The farmer in Bangladesh takes wast amount of land from wild animals and trees, puts a lot of water and chemicals in the soil, fights “pests”. Don’t underestimate impact of one farmer, especially in a country with millions of farmers.
blablabla123 6y ago
There's definitely the need for some 10x change here. Reducing CO2 output or plastic trash by 30% might of course help a lot but to actually solve things, these numbers need to be reduced by 99% or so. People manage to hyperoptimize everything when it comes to production lines, logistics or finance. I think this is also the ultimate reason why the environment must become strongly coupled with the finance system.