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I don’t think the data supports your conclusion. How many will die from COVID-19 if we lift all of the measures we have taken to stop the spread?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Not letting it hijack our attention and focus doesn't have to mean lifting control measures. It just means that we need to transition back to thinking about and tackling other problems as well, rather than saying "none of this matters because of the virus".
- Touche 6y ago
  Yes exactly. This has taught us that we need to take other viruses more seriously than we have. Maybe we should take some measures at the height of bad flu seasons. Maybe we should just always wear masks on flights and other crowded places. Maybe we should shake hands less and wash them more.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I do think there's a pretty strong case now for coordinating some kind of preplanned "flu control week" with no public gatherings - both to fight the flu and to establish the right social expectations for the next pandemic.
ywhjaknskkkw 6y ago
Roughly the same number. The lock down was not effective.
gizmo 6y ago
It won't make a difference. In Europe countries have been lifting their lockdown measures and the spike in cases they expected to see didn't happen. Massive protests happened in major European cities and nothing happened. Massive protests in NY didn't result in a spike of cases. In most places COVID-19 is over. Done. When the dust has settled covid19 will be seen as just another really bad flu season.
- FabHK 6y ago
  You presumably forgot the "</sarcasm>" or ";-)"? In case you were serious, the reason things are working out, more or less, in China and Europe is that measures were put in place (and people have stuck to them, by and large) such that the incidence of new cases fell a lot. Second half of the year in the Americas look less promising. EDIT: replaced summer and fall by second half of the year, given that half the Americas are south of the equator...
- brazzy 6y ago
  This so incredibly wrong and stupid. European countries have selectively lifted some lockdown measures and are closely monitoring the situation. Local outbreak spikes are happening. Many protests actually observed at least some degree of distancing, and their impact is mitigated by them happening outside - the strongest infection vector seems to be areosol, which is far more dangerous indoors. Many places are still seing exponential growth. Anyone who still trots out the "just another bad flu season" claim is just criminally stupid.
  - gizmo 6y ago
    How do you explain the spike in cases among 20-29 in MN right after the protests[1]? You can call me stupid all you like, but the data speaks for itself. Even Fauci referred to protests as having the "perfect set-up" conditions for hotspot spreading to take place[2]. The next step is to ask yourself why no similar spike in cases happened after protests in NY or Paris, even though they also had this "perfect set-up" for spreading. 1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebpl1DVU0AAPHMs?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebpl1DVU0AAPHMs?format=jpg&name=... 2: https://www.businessinsider.nl/dr-fauci-protests-perfect-set-up-for-spreading-covid-19-2020-6?international=true&r=US https://www.businessinsider.nl/dr-fauci-protests-perfect-set...
    - guscost 6y ago
      I think that you will be proven correct eventually, but in many circles this argument still prompts a nasty, negative, and thoroughly irrational response. “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” -Unknown
thepangolino 6y ago
>How many will die from COVID-19 if we lift all of the measures we have taken to stop the spread? Looking at Sweden, not that much.
- alex_young 6y ago
  Sweden has the population of the Bay Area spread over an area of the state of California. Do you really think that’s a fair comparison?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Not letting it hijack our attention and focus doesn't have to mean lifting control measures. It just means that we need to transition back to thinking about and tackling other problems as well, rather than saying "none of this matters because of the virus".

Touche 6y ago
Yes exactly. This has taught us that we need to take other viruses more seriously than we have. Maybe we should take some measures at the height of bad flu seasons. Maybe we should just always wear masks on flights and other crowded places. Maybe we should shake hands less and wash them more.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I do think there's a pretty strong case now for coordinating some kind of preplanned "flu control week" with no public gatherings - both to fight the flu and to establish the right social expectations for the next pandemic.

ywhjaknskkkw 6y ago

Roughly the same number. The lock down was not effective.

gizmo 6y ago

It won't make a difference. In Europe countries have been lifting their lockdown measures and the spike in cases they expected to see didn't happen. Massive protests happened in major European cities and nothing happened. Massive protests in NY didn't result in a spike of cases. In most places COVID-19 is over. Done. When the dust has settled covid19 will be seen as just another really bad flu season.

FabHK 6y ago
You presumably forgot the "</sarcasm>" or ";-)"? In case you were serious, the reason things are working out, more or less, in China and Europe is that measures were put in place (and people have stuck to them, by and large) such that the incidence of new cases fell a lot. Second half of the year in the Americas look less promising. EDIT: replaced summer and fall by second half of the year, given that half the Americas are south of the equator...
brazzy 6y ago
This so incredibly wrong and stupid. European countries have selectively lifted some lockdown measures and are closely monitoring the situation. Local outbreak spikes are happening. Many protests actually observed at least some degree of distancing, and their impact is mitigated by them happening outside - the strongest infection vector seems to be areosol, which is far more dangerous indoors. Many places are still seing exponential growth. Anyone who still trots out the "just another bad flu season" claim is just criminally stupid.
- gizmo 6y ago
  How do you explain the spike in cases among 20-29 in MN right after the protests[1]? You can call me stupid all you like, but the data speaks for itself. Even Fauci referred to protests as having the "perfect set-up" conditions for hotspot spreading to take place[2]. The next step is to ask yourself why no similar spike in cases happened after protests in NY or Paris, even though they also had this "perfect set-up" for spreading. 1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebpl1DVU0AAPHMs?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebpl1DVU0AAPHMs?format=jpg&name=... 2: https://www.businessinsider.nl/dr-fauci-protests-perfect-set-up-for-spreading-covid-19-2020-6?international=true&r=US https://www.businessinsider.nl/dr-fauci-protests-perfect-set...
  - guscost 6y ago
    I think that you will be proven correct eventually, but in many circles this argument still prompts a nasty, negative, and thoroughly irrational response. “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” -Unknown

thepangolino 6y ago

>How many will die from COVID-19 if we lift all of the measures we have taken to stop the spread? Looking at Sweden, not that much.

alex_young 6y ago
Sweden has the population of the Bay Area spread over an area of the state of California. Do you really think that’s a fair comparison?